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Post by emma on Oct 16, 2016 15:33:14 GMT
I understood you to live in France. I guess your wealth must already be in Euros then as if it's in Sterling everything is costing you 25% more.
Perhaps you hadn't noticed?
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Post by Graham on Oct 16, 2016 15:34:29 GMT
Emma simple question, at least to my mind 52% voted to leave. A good part of the population are quite fed up with Europe and its levels of control of the UK. If we do not leave and do not take control of our immigration how are you going to pacify those voters and make them happy? It's not really a simple question. It would be a question of addressing the root causes of poverty and dissatisfaction which is a long and painful discussion. It is my firm belief that the EU is not responsible for the major problems but simply a convenient scapegoat to deflect attention from the true reasons. The EU didn't cause the banking collapse, it's not the cause of chronic under-investment in the health service. It's not responsible for the massive asset stripping going on BHS, Royal Mail, British Rail. It's not responsible for the sell off and non-replacement of social housing.... etc etc etc . It's influence on our lives is not small but it's not fundamental in those areas. It's value is one of the protection of labour, of consumers, of people from the excesses of government. It has an overview in investments in impoverished areas, Cornwall, South Wales, the North East. It's free flow of trade means that car manufacturers can set up here without paying to move their stuff around the marketplace, that labour can come here and fill in where we need it; care homes, agricultural labour, plumbers, builders. If you really think that the average Brexit voter from Sunderland is going to jump with joy at the opportunity to pick potatoes in Lincolnshire... The answer to my question is the same whether we have a soft-brexit, a hard-brexit or no brexit at all. We have to look to ourselves to solve these problems and stop trying to shift the blame. That may be the answer to your question. But the question that majority is going to need answering is how are you going to pacify those voters and make them happy? You see without doing that there is only one road a full exit, because immigration is the key to many. I have heard that from allsorts of people ranging from what I suspect you are calling the poor to the well-healed. If Briexit does not happen whaat do you think those people will do, quietly knuckle under? I suspect not they have had a taste of power and won. If the government fails to honour that vote I think we could be in for trouble.
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Post by emma on Oct 16, 2016 15:36:30 GMT
we? or the government? some may say some trouble for the rich and powerful might not be such a bad thing.
it's a while since we had a peasants revolt.
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Post by emma on Oct 16, 2016 15:39:22 GMT
When you say 'immigration is the key to many' you must be careful you are not mixing reality and perception. Migration brings net benefit to this country. That's reality. Migration fills skills and labour shortages. That's reality. The Tories even say an end to inward migration is not possible.
And what about British migrants? Are they all coming home?
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Post by Graham on Oct 16, 2016 15:40:22 GMT
we? or the government? some may say some trouble for the rich and powerful might not be such a bad thing. it's a while since we had a peasants revolt. I mean WE everyone, the rich will float overseas.
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Post by Albion on Oct 16, 2016 15:43:01 GMT
I understood you to live in France. I guess your wealth must already be in Euros then as if it's in Sterling everything is costing you 25% more. Perhaps you hadn't noticed? If that is directed towards me then, no I don't live in France. I boat in France for 5 months per year and have a French bank account into which we move money when it needs topping up. During the time that we have been boating in France (since 2006) we have experienced the rate down to €1.06 and up as far as €1.30 so currency fluctuations are nothing new even before Brexit. I will just have to take whatever rate is available at the time of transfer........that's the way the markets work unless you lock into some fixed rate future deal which, of course, hits you when you initially do the deal because the brokers are hedging against future rate devaluation. Roger
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Post by Graham on Oct 16, 2016 15:43:52 GMT
When you say 'immigration is the key to many' you must be careful you are not mixing reality and perception. Migration brings net benefit to this country. That's reality. Migration fills skills and labour shortages. That's reality. The Tories even say an end to inward migration is not possible. And what about British migrants? Are they all coming home? That is your opinion. Honestly I am not so sure. It allows the government to get away without training the Doctors, Nurses, Scientists, Engineers etc etc that we need to make this country sing.
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Post by emma on Oct 16, 2016 15:45:58 GMT
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Post by emma on Oct 16, 2016 15:49:45 GMT
When you say 'immigration is the key to many' you must be careful you are not mixing reality and perception. Migration brings net benefit to this country. That's reality. Migration fills skills and labour shortages. That's reality. The Tories even say an end to inward migration is not possible. And what about British migrants? Are they all coming home? That is your opinion. Honestly I am not so sure. It allows the government to get away without training the Doctors, Nurses, Scientists, Engineers etc etc that we need to make this country sing. Fact not opinion:https://www.ft.com/content/c49043a8-6447-11e4-b219-00144feabdc0 the wider picture; www.oecd.org/migration/OECD%20Migration%20Policy%20Debates%20Numero%202.pdfThe government doesn't train the professions, academia does. What is one of the key sectors under attack from the Tories? Can't have it both ways.
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Post by Graham on Oct 16, 2016 16:02:06 GMT
Not interested in sources I am interested in you and your real thoughts, what you have garnered from those around you, the real people of our country. Not fear and concern engendered by publicists who have access to the press. the real people
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Post by Graham on Oct 16, 2016 16:05:00 GMT
That is your opinion. Honestly I am not so sure. It allows the government to get away without training the Doctors, Nurses, Scientists, Engineers etc etc that we need to make this country sing. Fact not opinion:https://www.ft.com/content/c49043a8-6447-11e4-b219-00144feabdc0 the wider picture; www.oecd.org/migration/OECD%20Migration%20Policy%20Debates%20Numero%202.pdfThe government doesn't train the professions, academia does. What is one of the key sectors under attack from the Tories? Can't have it both ways. I am sorry the government has the power and the control of the purse strings to firmly guide the types of professions etc that it needs trained.
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Post by emma on Oct 16, 2016 16:33:46 GMT
Not interested in sources I am interested in you and your real thoughts, what you have garnered from those around you, the real people of our country. Not fear and concern engendered by publicists who have access to the press. the real people Real people? the ones I around me? They all think you're fucking idiots. That's English and Europeans.
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Post by emma on Oct 16, 2016 16:36:05 GMT
you're not really paying attention are you? I am retailing my experience. Since June 23 everything I buy and do has got more expensive.
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Post by Graham on Oct 16, 2016 16:44:58 GMT
you're not really paying attention are you? I am retailing my experience. Since June 23 everything I buy and do has got more expensive. You see emma you don't even know my thoughts personally because my thoughts don't matter. It is the thoughts and feeling of the people out in thes country. The ones who desperately want to achieve what they voted for. I am sorry that everything has got more expensive for you. I don't know how but my expenditure since June has gone down with no real effort.
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Post by emma on Oct 16, 2016 16:47:38 GMT
"I am delighted to report that there will be one group of people for whom a plunging pound is very good news indeed. London property has just become massively cheaper if you are a foreign buyer. For holders of dollars and euros and other “citizens of the world”, the sale is now on. Britain is becoming a poundland bargain"
The guardian 16th October
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