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Post by patty on Mar 22, 2021 8:17:29 GMT
Lordy Lordy, Foxy you dont half talk some utter bollox. (Shakes head as walks away) Didn't read it... Its Monday so gonna start the week on a positive .. Avoiding Foxy's take on life counts as a positive...
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 22, 2021 8:20:38 GMT
Sharing vaccines is an interesting topic for discussion. Socialists, the ultra cautious (plain scared) and especially the loud, gobby types of either of these persuasions keep banging on that there's no point vaccinating those closer to home in our shrunken world, the only safe way is to vaccinate everyone.
They are right.
However: It's quite clear that there's a limited amount of vaccine available. Given this, it makes absolute sense to vaccinate those closest first, before considering gifting vaccines across the world. This is common sense, a no brainer, should not need any further discussion. And yet, these types go about their crazy business. 'Vaccine nationalism' is the latest negative buzz phrase this bunch use in order to try to support their case. The EU, a fascist organisation if there ever were one use the term regularly. The truth about the EU of course is that they are mightily pissed off that THEY THEMSELVES aren't getting sufficient vaccines. It's not about sending vaccines to Anglola, it's about sending vaccines to them, and sending them to them now. And so, they design these emotive negative phrases aimed at those more successful in obtaining vaccines (e.g. Britain) telling them they should think more of 'one world one people' when the real objective of the shouting is for them to selfishly obtain more vaccines for themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 8:25:24 GMT
So the EU should keep it's vaccines for the EU and not send any to the UK?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 22, 2021 8:28:22 GMT
Vaccines are supplied by privately owned organisations, not governments. Vaccines are supplied by way of contracts rather than government decree.
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Post by peterboat on Mar 22, 2021 8:32:26 GMT
Sharing vaccines is an interesting topic for discussion. Socialists, the ultra cautious (plain scared) and especially the loud, gobby types of either of these persuasions keep banging on that there's no point vaccinating those closer to home in our shrunken world, the only safe way is to vaccinate everyone. They are right. However: It's quite clear that there's a limited amount of vaccine available. Given this, it makes absolute sense to vaccinate those closest first, before considering gifting vaccines across the world. This is common sense, a no brainer, should not need any further discussion. And yet, these types go about their crazy business. 'Vaccine nationalism' is the latest negative buzz phrase this bunch use in order to try to support their case. The EU, a fascist organisation if there ever were one use the term regularly. The truth about the EU of course is that they are mightily pissed off that THEY THEMSELVES aren't getting sufficient vaccines. It's not about sending vaccines to Anglola, it's about sending vaccines to them, and sending them to them now. And so, they design these emotive negative phrases aimed at those more successful in obtaining vaccines (e.g. Britain) telling them they should think more of 'one world one people' when the real objective of the shouting is for them to selfishly obtain more vaccines for themselves. Oxford Astrazenica did the right thing by allowing their vaccine to be made around the world, shame the other vaccine makers didnt do the same, the EU arnt helping the situation with their screaming we want we want,the UK had first dibs on the vaccine for a number of reasons not least we helped fund it, develop it and gave it emergency use first. The EU have totally cocked up the vaccine rollout and are screaming blue murder because they know it, all this bluster is to save their jobs nothing more nothing less
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Post by ianali on Mar 22, 2021 8:33:38 GMT
Lordy Lordy, Foxy you dont half talk some utter bollox. (Shakes head as walks away) Whilst I disagree with much that Ross posts, I am disturbed by the government extending covid19 emergency laws yet again. We are so far into the vaccination programme now that they should not be required. Hearing talk of masks and social distancing being required for years to come is frankly scary. Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t. The roadmap has to be adhered to, and come June 18th this must end.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 22, 2021 8:41:48 GMT
Sharing vaccines is an interesting topic for discussion. Socialists, the ultra cautious (plain scared) and especially the loud, gobby types of either of these persuasions keep banging on that there's no point vaccinating those closer to home in our shrunken world, the only safe way is to vaccinate everyone. They are right. However: It's quite clear that there's a limited amount of vaccine available. Given this, it makes absolute sense to vaccinate those closest first, before considering gifting vaccines across the world. This is common sense, a no brainer, should not need any further discussion. And yet, these types go about their crazy business. 'Vaccine nationalism' is the latest negative buzz phrase this bunch use in order to try to support their case. The EU, a fascist organisation if there ever were one use the term regularly. The truth about the EU of course is that they are mightily pissed off that THEY THEMSELVES aren't getting sufficient vaccines. It's not about sending vaccines to Anglola, it's about sending vaccines to them, and sending them to them now. And so, they design these emotive negative phrases aimed at those more successful in obtaining vaccines (e.g. Britain) telling them they should think more of 'one world one people' when the real objective of the shouting is for them to selfishly obtain more vaccines for themselves. Oxford Astrazenica did the right thing by allowing their vaccine to be made around the world, shame the other vaccine makers didnt do the same, the EU arnt helping the situation with their screaming we want we want,the UK had first dibs on the vaccine for a number of reasons not least we helped fund it, develop it and gave it emergency use first. The EU have totally cocked up the vaccine rollout and are screaming blue murder because they know it, all this bluster is to save their jobs nothing more nothing less One of the reasons the EU have done so badly is their size. Everything they have to do takes time. It has to go through this channel and that, everyone has to agree. Meanwhile, orders from nations with less organisational complexity (e.g. Britain) were placed earlier. A nation (the EU is a nation) should not expect to jump the queue. It placed its orders late, it should expect to receive its vaccines late. Anything other than this is the very 'vaccine nationalism' the EU like to use as a slur against others. At the end of the day, a huge organisation must accept that while their may be certain benefits of 'stronger together' there are also drawbacks when super states are formed, as we have seen. During the Brexit discussions the EU often said 'you can't have your cake and eat it'. Indeed.
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Post by peterboat on Mar 22, 2021 8:50:39 GMT
Lordy Lordy, Foxy you dont half talk some utter bollox. (Shakes head as walks away) Whilst I disagree with much that Ross posts, I am disturbed by the government extending covid19 emergency laws yet again. We are so far into the vaccination programme now that they should not be required. Hearing talk of masks and social distancing being required for years to come is frankly scary. Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t. The roadmap has to be adhered to, and come June 18th this must end. Watching the news this morning the idiots have destroyed any chance of the Emergency laws being dropped! I cant believe what I am watching
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Post by ianali on Mar 22, 2021 8:59:31 GMT
Whilst I disagree with much that Ross posts, I am disturbed by the government extending covid19 emergency laws yet again. We are so far into the vaccination programme now that they should not be required. Hearing talk of masks and social distancing being required for years to come is frankly scary. Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t. The roadmap has to be adhered to, and come June 18th this must end. Watching the news this morning the idiots have destroyed any chance of the Emergency laws being dropped! I cant believe what I am watching I suppose it was inevitable that this would happen. I am please that protesting against some of these new laws is happening. Hopefully there will be more. I do not condone the violence, but protests are often taken over by a few violent troublemakers I guess. Still it’s good to see that there are still some people in England that have the balls to stand up for their rights.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 8:59:57 GMT
Lordy Lordy, Foxy you dont half talk some utter bollox. (Shakes head as walks away) Whilst I disagree with much that Ross posts, I am disturbed by the government extending covid19 emergency laws yet again. We are so far into the vaccination programme now that they should not be required. Hearing talk of masks and social distancing being required for years to come is frankly scary. Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t. The roadmap has to be adhered to, and come June 18th this must end. It won't end there, the AZ vaccine is not fully effective against the SA covid variant so we need to be cautious about that as it could erupt again. I see masks and distancing being something we will just have to live with for years to come.
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Post by ianali on Mar 22, 2021 9:01:15 GMT
Whilst I disagree with much that Ross posts, I am disturbed by the government extending covid19 emergency laws yet again. We are so far into the vaccination programme now that they should not be required. Hearing talk of masks and social distancing being required for years to come is frankly scary. Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t. The roadmap has to be adhered to, and come June 18th this must end. It won't end there, the AZ vaccine is not fully effective against the SA covid variant so we need to be cautious about that as it could erupt again. I see masks and distancing being something we will just have to live with for years to come. Well I don’t.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 10:05:30 GMT
Finland calling ... Finland calling
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Post by patty on Mar 22, 2021 10:14:16 GMT
Whilst I disagree with much that Ross posts, I am disturbed by the government extending covid19 emergency laws yet again. We are so far into the vaccination programme now that they should not be required. Hearing talk of masks and social distancing being required for years to come is frankly scary. Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t. The roadmap has to be adhered to, and come June 18th this must end. It won't end there, the AZ vaccine is not fully effective against the SA covid variant so we need to be cautious about that as it could erupt again. I see masks and distancing being something we will just have to live with for years to come. Don't u think it'll become the new 'norm?' I do not see mixing with big groups of people has any benefits .. If I have to wear a mask in shops etc so be it.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 22, 2021 10:16:54 GMT
Whilst I disagree with much that Ross posts, I am disturbed by the government extending covid19 emergency laws yet again. We are so far into the vaccination programme now that they should not be required. Hearing talk of masks and social distancing being required for years to come is frankly scary. Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t. The roadmap has to be adhered to, and come June 18th this must end. Watching the news this morning the idiots taking the vaccines have destroyed any chance of the Emergency laws being dropped! I cant believe what I am watching Yes. the 'Covidiots'. They should all be locked up and the key thrown away. Lockdown and the spread of the virus will never stop until this sort of thing stops.
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Post by ianali on Mar 22, 2021 10:27:39 GMT
It won't end there, the AZ vaccine is not fully effective against the SA covid variant so we need to be cautious about that as it could erupt again. I see masks and distancing being something we will just have to live with for years to come. Don't u think it'll become the new 'norm?' I do not see mixing with big groups of people has any benefits .. If I have to wear a mask in shops etc so be it. I really, really hope it doesn’t become the new norm.You might be happy living in near isolation but I am not. It’s becoming silly now with talk of masks forever. I was around our neighbours at the weekend. Was a group of 5 households having a drink in the garden. We have been doing this since 2 nd lockdown began. Not one of has caught covid19. Yesterday group included a nurse and a doctor. We are sensible enough to keep ourselves safe. There has to be an end to this or there isn’t really any point in living anymore.
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