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Post by tadworth on Oct 21, 2016 18:58:32 GMT
I have got the C&RT to amend their web page canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy-the-waterways/boating/licensing-your-boat/licence-it-or-lose-it " Once we've removed the boat we can either sell it or, if it is of little value, we may destroy it. We have first claim on any sale proceeds which we use to recover outstanding fees and to cover our costs of taking enforcement action." The trust previously stated in court that the section 8 process does not seek to recover outstanding fees, so now it reads, "Once we've removed the boat we can either sell it or, if it is of little value, we may destroy it. We have first claim on any sale proceeds which we use to recover our costs of taking enforcement action." No need for thanks, just throw money when you pass my boat.
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Post by tadworth on Oct 21, 2016 19:52:12 GMT
All onions or other root vegetables gratefully received.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 21, 2016 22:30:14 GMT
Just as well I printed out a screen capture of that web page before you stuffed the sole documented support for my argument - I relied on that page to demonstrate that holding on to Leigh's boat pending payment of alleged outstanding fees was NOT the unilateral "mistaken" decision of a single autonomous rogue Enforcement Officer, but was the considered and published position of CaRT as approved from the highest levels.
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Post by tex on Oct 22, 2016 2:13:55 GMT
All onions or other root vegetables gratefully received. Some stewing steak would be nice too!
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 22, 2016 20:12:30 GMT
IF you were responsible for CaRT altering the wording on that web page, then I am seriously upset with you. I have been going through my files and cannot find the screenshot that I thought I had taken. All I have now is the claim as to its content in the Reply to Amended Defence, where we quoted it and gave the link to the page - 21. The Court need not even rely on the above video and written evidence, to determine that recovery of sums owed via the s.8 process is an institutional policy. CaRT's website page entitled "License it or lose it" asserts: "Once we've removed the boat we can either sell it or, if it is of little value, we may destroy it. We have first claim on any sale proceeds which we use to recover outstanding fees and to cover our costs of taking enforcement action." [my emphasis] canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy-the-waterways/boating/licensing-your¬boat/licence-it-or-lose-it 22. Payment for the allegedly outstanding fees as a condition of returning my boat was indeed, therefore, demanded "mistakenly" to quote paragraph 18, but it was no innocent mistake. It was consistent with published intent. That url now sends one to a page that appears to give the lie to what Leigh has claimed in his ‘Reply’. We are left with what is merely claimed to be a quote, with only this post of yours to provide a second witness to the claim. Obviously it was remiss of me not to have taken a screen shot of the page, and I am surprised at myself for not having done so. Who would have thought that they would go back online and tamper with our evidence? If anybody out there HAS recorded the page, it would be of considerable importance to have a copy for the court to see. It is central evidence to contradict the claims made for CaRT by Mr Stoner, who attempts to paint the unlawful demand as an uncharacteristic and inadvertent mistake.
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Post by Delta9 on Oct 22, 2016 20:40:58 GMT
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Post by Delta9 on Oct 22, 2016 20:43:05 GMT
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 22, 2016 20:50:14 GMT
Hey thanks - that is brilliant. I DID, however, discover that I HAD grabbed it - it was left on the desktop rather than filed where it should have been! Re-loaded; new link – At least now, we have an even stronger illustration of how blatantly their legal department can support outright declaration of criminal intent, only changing tune when challenged in Court and realising that their own publication will be used against them. This alteration is now rather delicious. [But it will take awhile for my blood pressure to subside.]
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 22, 2016 20:56:04 GMT
IF you were responsible for CaRT altering the wording on that web page, then I am seriously upset with you. OK, palpitations slowing down, and with documentation restored, I forgive you!
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Post by bargemast on Oct 22, 2016 21:15:09 GMT
Glad to see that nothing had gone lost in the end, as this is a very important piece of evidence.
Also good to see that Delta 9 had saved a link, don't let them get away with their recent changes.
Peter.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 22, 2016 21:28:33 GMT
C&RT ran out of feet to shoot themselves in quite a while ago, they must now be aiming and firing up a different part of their corporate anatomies !
The alteration to the wording on that webpage was 15 days after they failed to persuade the High Court to agree to denying Nigel right of audience as MF to Leigh Ravenscroft, . . . done with the intention of destroying damaging evidence, . . or just a coincidence, no, I don't think so !
This gets better and better, . . . I do hope "debbipiggy" has joined TB, or is at least monitoring this site, . . . . more bad news for her to scuttle back to the legal team with on Monday morning !
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Post by tadworth on Oct 22, 2016 21:47:09 GMT
IF you were responsible for CaRT altering the wording on that web page, then I am seriously upset with you. OK, palpitations slowing down, and with documentation restored, I forgive you! I just sent all the emails to your gmail Nigel. There is no IF about it.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 22, 2016 21:55:26 GMT
C&RT ran out of feet to shoot themselves in quite a while ago, they must now be aiming and firing up a different part of their corporate anatomies ! The alteration to the wording on that webpage was 15 days after they failed to persuade the High Court to agree to denying Nigel right of audience as MF to Leigh Ravenscroft, . . . done with the intention of destroying damaging evidence, . . or just a coincidence, no, I don't think so ! This gets better and better, . . . I do hope "debbipiggy" has joined TB, or is at least monitoring this site, . . . . more bad news for her to scuttle back to the legal team with on Monday morning ! I like the way you spelled the name of the Cart spy.
Peter.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 22, 2016 22:13:01 GMT
C&RT ran out of feet to shoot themselves in quite a while ago, they must now be aiming and firing up a different part of their corporate anatomies ! The alteration to the wording on that webpage was 15 days after they failed to persuade the High Court to agree to denying Nigel right of audience as MF to Leigh Ravenscroft, . . . done with the intention of destroying damaging evidence, . . or just a coincidence, no, I don't think so ! This gets better and better, . . . I do hope "debbipiggy" has joined TB, or is at least monitoring this site, . . . . more bad news for her to scuttle back to the legal team with on Monday morning ! I like the way you spelled the name of the Cart spy.
Peter.
For some reason I always seem to misspell like that, Peter, . . . . quite unintentional, of course !
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 22, 2016 22:37:03 GMT
I just sent all the emails to your gmail Nigel. There is no IF about it. And very much appreciated tadworth – some fascinating nonsense in those emails that has a direct bearing on some others of the Ravenscroft issues. I will read through them more carefully tomorrow, and see if we can make even more useful headway with them. The " previously stated in court" admission you quoted at them was only the most explicit and latest of their admissions in this respect - they had already rather obliquely acknowledged the situation in the first Defence in Leigh's case, dated 17 June 2015. Even the open acknowledgement of their Amended Defence was dated 26 May 2016, while you quoted the relevant bit of that on 28 June 2016, with a reminder that they were going to have a look at that, on 27 August 2016. So they took a long time to respond appropriately, even after you pushing their admissions at them.
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