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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 9, 2021 9:22:01 GMT
I've always been a white, heterosexual man. I'm aware that I could feel different tomorrow. I might wake up feeling that that I'm now a woman. Not just this. I'll also feel that I'm black, and gay to boot. Well not really gay, I'm confident that I'll never be sexually attracted to men. But given that I'll be a woman tomorrow and fancy other women that makes me gay, right?
My question is: If I feel this way is it acceptable to 'out' myself as regards all three changes in one hit or would it be more politically correct to establish myself as a woman first, then decide I'm black followed by the bravest step, outing myself as being gay.
Is there an established protocol regarding this?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 9:25:44 GMT
I did the transition recently from being a man to being a cauliflower and I still haven't told anyone.
It's going to become quite obvious after a while but it's important not to shock people too much.
So my advice would be take it easy, think about what you really want to be and if you settle on something then just go for it !
It's very liberating.
Of course you might be one of those non-linearly-stable fluctuating types which gets really complicated.
I had this issue for a short time but managed to get on top of it with online therapy.
So now I am happy to just be the cauliflower but with a slightly higher executive function level than a normal cauli.
Caulis are go !
Cauli lives matter !
Yaaay!
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 9, 2021 9:38:13 GMT
Yes. I could imagine a cauliflower thinking it might be broccoli. The two often go together and although one is a different colour we should try to disregard differences in colour. It's pleasing and quite liberating to read that you were able to overcome this hurdle with your florets still intact.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 11:09:42 GMT
I reckon there are not that many people who have undergone the type of reassignments you are referring to on this forum.
I know there are some trans and other unusual people on boats but only one of them on here and s(he) barely ever posts.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 9, 2021 11:50:27 GMT
I cannot imagine how terrible it must be to identify as a brassica and then only be a common or garden cauliflower, I mean how lowering.
Being an extremely attractive Romanesco like what I is, is so fundamental to ones feeling of superiority .... even If I am slightly green
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 11:53:32 GMT
I made my choices. Part of this was because of my inbuilt superiority. It's not a "feeling" of superiority it is real.
So by choosing to be a cauliflower I have deliberately and strategically lowered my status level in the hope of ending up with a better life.
Time will tell but I reckon it was a good move.
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Post by metanoia on Jun 10, 2021 17:46:48 GMT
Never forget the great leveller for all these ... a good mornay.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 18:22:09 GMT
You're saucy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 19:21:18 GMT
I've always been a white, heterosexual man. Well. It's now "tomorrow" related to your original topic title so do you feel different? I think everyone else will agree with me that it is important to find out the detail. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 10, 2021 21:35:16 GMT
I've always been a white, heterosexual man. Well. It's now "tomorrow" related to your original topic title so do you feel different? I think everyone else will agree with me that it is important to find out the detail. A little different but not in the expected way. The plan was to have a walk in the morning, spot of lunch, then transition. I got talking to a rather attractive woman on the beach. We sat and had a coffee by the harbour. Similar interests, she in the process of buying a kayak so I offered to show her the ropes, protect her from the various dangers the Mawddach estuary can pose for the unwary. I didn't get the chance to ask her if she was gay so I think the best thing is to put the transition on hold for now, see how things pan out. |
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 10, 2021 22:52:03 GMT
Hmmm well I'm going to ignore the ribaldry and make a sensible post. The thing is that there are definitely a few people who really do feel they are born into the wrong body, have always known it and will never be happy in their "wrong" body. I don't really understand the feeling. I'm sure that to the average unimaginative white male hetero, there might be some conflation between being gay and being born into the wrong body, but I don't see that at all. Apart from anything else, being gay (attracted to people of the same sex) is a pretty minor issue in people's lives. After all, most people spend very little of their lives actually having sex, the rest of the time the fact that they might be gay is an irrelevance. However if you feel you need to have a sex change, that is a huge deal involving surgery, chemical therapy, legal issues and much more stigma even these days. But anyway, back to my point - there are people for whom I think a gender change is appropriate. However on the back of all that, as ricco implies there is now a whole industry on being anti-gender, gender fluidity, being able to change your gender on a whim etc etc. I think it has become an outlet for people who are disatisfied with their lives for various unrelated reasons, and yes even sometimes just to be noticed or because it is trendy. So we have a problem in that transitioning is definitely something that should be available. But not too available. Do we really want children deciding that they want to transition because they saw something on instragram, having puberty blockers, hormones, surgery etc? Surely not. So it is a matter of the middle path. Unfortunately there is a strong movement from the noisy ones, who want to shout down and drown out any discussion on the subject. This is bad. It is a complicated subject and as with all such things, sensible discussion is good, trying to silence the opposition is bad.
In summary, whilst people who can't decide whether they are gay or straight (bisexual) are mildly irritating, people who can't decide which gender they want to be are WEEEEIIIRRRRD!
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 10, 2021 23:03:23 GMT
Hmmm well I'm going to ignore the ribaldry and make a sensible post. The thing is that there are definitely a few people who really do feel they are born into the wrong body, have always known it and will never be happy in their "wrong" body. I don't really understand the feeling. I'm sure that to the average unimaginative white male hetero, there might be some conflation between being gay and being born into the wrong body, but I don't see that at all. Apart from anything else, being gay (attracted to people of the same sex) is a pretty minor issue in people's lives. After all, most people spend very little of their lives actually having sex, the rest of the time the fact that they might be gay is an irrelevance. However if you feel you need to have a sex change, that is a huge deal involving surgery, chemical therapy, legal issues and much more stigma even these days. But anyway, back to my point - there are people for whom I think a gender change is appropriate. However on the back of all that, as ricco implies there is now a whole industry on being anti-gender, gender fluidity, being able to change your gender on a whim etc etc. I think it has become an outlet for people who are disatisfied with their lives for various unrelated reasons, and yes even sometimes just to be noticed or because it is trendy. So we have a problem in that transitioning is definitely something that should be available. But not too available. Do we really want children deciding that they want to transition because they saw something on instragram, having puberty blockers, hormones, surgery etc? Surely not. So it is a matter of the middle path. Unfortunately there is a strong movement from the noisy ones, who want to shout down and drown out any discussion on the subject. This is bad. It is a complicated subject and as with all such things, sensible discussion is good, trying to silence the opposition is bad.
In summary, whilst people who can't decide whether they are gay or straight (bisexual) are mildly irritating, people who can't decide which gender they want to be are WEEEEIIIRRRRD!
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 10, 2021 23:05:08 GMT
Hmmm well I'm going to ignore the ribaldry and make a sensible post. The thing is that there are definitely a few people who really do feel they are born into the wrong body, have always known it and will never be happy in their "wrong" body. I don't really understand the feeling. I'm sure that to the average unimaginative white male hetero, there might be some conflation between being gay and being born into the wrong body, but I don't see that at all. Apart from anything else, being gay (attracted to people of the same sex) is a pretty minor issue in people's lives. After all, most people spend very little of their lives actually having sex, the rest of the time the fact that they might be gay is an irrelevance. However if you feel you need to have a sex change, that is a huge deal involving surgery, chemical therapy, legal issues and much more stigma even these days. But anyway, back to my point - there are people for whom I think a gender change is appropriate. However on the back of all that, as ricco implies there is now a whole industry on being anti-gender, gender fluidity, being able to change your gender on a whim etc etc. I think it has become an outlet for people who are disatisfied with their lives for various unrelated reasons, and yes even sometimes just to be noticed or because it is trendy. So we have a problem in that transitioning is definitely something that should be available. But not too available. Do we really want children deciding that they want to transition because they saw something on instragram, having puberty blockers, hormones, surgery etc? Surely not. So it is a matter of the middle path. Unfortunately there is a strong movement from the noisy ones, who want to shout down and drown out any discussion on the subject. This is bad. It is a complicated subject and as with all such things, sensible discussion is good, trying to silence the opposition is bad.
In summary, whilst people who can't decide whether they are gay or straight (bisexual) are mildly irritating, people who can't decide which gender they want to be are WEEEEIIIRRRRD!
Well if sensible discussion is needed to sort it out, it aint going to be sorted out on Thunderboat. I'm sure you are right, but personally I feel no obligation to descend to the level of the Thunderboat masses. |
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Post by JohnV on Jun 11, 2021 3:58:21 GMT
Well if sensible discussion is needed to sort it out, it aint going to be sorted out on Thunderboat. I'm sure you are right, but personally I feel no obligation to descend to the level of the Thunderboat masses. |
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Post by patty on Jun 11, 2021 6:05:54 GMT
Hmmm well I'm going to ignore the ribaldry and make a sensible post. The thing is that there are definitely a few people who really do feel they are born into the wrong body, have always known it and will never be happy in their "wrong" body. I don't really understand the feeling. I'm sure that to the average unimaginative white male hetero, there might be some conflation between being gay and being born into the wrong body, but I don't see that at all. Apart from anything else, being gay (attracted to people of the same sex) is a pretty minor issue in people's lives. After all, most people spend very little of their lives actually having sex, the rest of the time the fact that they might be gay is an irrelevance. However if you feel you need to have a sex change, that is a huge deal involving surgery, chemical therapy, legal issues and much more stigma even these days. But anyway, back to my point - there are people for whom I think a gender change is appropriate. However on the back of all that, as ricco implies there is now a whole industry on being anti-gender, gender fluidity, being able to change your gender on a whim etc etc. I think it has become an outlet for people who are disatisfied with their lives for various unrelated reasons, and yes even sometimes just to be noticed or because it is trendy. So we have a problem in that transitioning is definitely something that should be available. But not too available. Do we really want children deciding that they want to transition because they saw something on instragram, having puberty blockers, hormones, surgery etc? Surely not. So it is a matter of the middle path. Unfortunately there is a strong movement from the noisy ones, who want to shout down and drown out any discussion on the subject. This is bad. It is a complicated subject and as with all such things, sensible discussion is good, trying to silence the opposition is bad.
In summary, whilst people who can't decide whether they are gay or straight (bisexual) are mildly irritating, people who can't decide which gender they want to be are WEEEEIIIRRRRD!
I have met few individuals who wanted gender reassignment surgery and they needed help. The ones I met came across as victims of abuse, what lie in their past I wouldn't want to speculate, I felt I couldn't help..these situations way out of my league of understanding. I once did an attendance allowance form for a man considering gender reassignment surgery...he lived with a much younger man also considering gender reassignment surgery..I came away feeling desperately sad. TBH it affected me so much I had to find someone who I could talk to in confidence, at the time I was under counselling for what had happened in my life and eventually I gave up the voluntary work. I didn't have the resilience to cope with others mental health issues. I just don't know. |
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