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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 6:17:47 GMT
many pints of Colt45 at lunchtime removed any talent, crashed about 4pm, came round in hospital about 11pm and was asked by a copper who had been waiting for me to come round "had you been drinking sir" i trust you didn't do it a second time... A broken arm, a dislocated knee and 150 stitches from broken glass persuaded me I shouldn't. Also since the car was opened up like a sardine can meant it was written off. Still don't know how I survived 😱 I was still having bits of glass working their way our from under my skin 20 years later.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 6:38:14 GMT
I use Shell V power in everything - knock on of having a Vw Group TSI powered vehicle, I’ll try to dig out a photo of my pretty coke free intakes after an eight year diet of full fat proper petrol, the cost of the decent stuff is well worth paying over the weasel piss most people buy on price alone. When I fill the car I invariably fill a 5l can, the mower gets it, the genny gets it, the outboard gets it. Back in those far off distant days of running highly strung two strokes they had a diet of nothing but the former Shell optimax - petrol being cheaper and easier to replace than pistons and heads! Totally erroneous (albeit common) understanding of petrol here Gazza. Optimax and other "premium" fuels are not "better quality", they are simply higher octane, which is required for engines with a high compression ratio, i.e. 10:1 or above. Your mower, generator and outboard motor will have compression ratios of around 7:1 and will run better on lower octane fuel, higher octane fuel being less combustible in order to prevent "dieselling" on high compression engines. With all due respect - you are talking a bit of nonsense as to the quality of Optimax. as i said earlier i'll ping up a shot of an engine renowned for coking up due to it being Direct Petrol Injection and having no fuel air mixture washing through he inlet ports. Need to zoom in but its a good enough picture to show i don't have an issue having used exclusively Shell Optimax. Have a google of VW TSI inlet port coking and see the difference between mine at then 70K and others at much lower miles run on weasel piss. As for the mower or the genny, they have never complained!
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Post by ianali on Jun 22, 2021 6:47:32 GMT
Totally erroneous (albeit common) understanding of petrol here Gazza. Optimax and other "premium" fuels are not "better quality", they are simply higher octane, which is required for engines with a high compression ratio, i.e. 10:1 or above. Your mower, generator and outboard motor will have compression ratios of around 7:1 and will run better on lower octane fuel, higher octane fuel being less combustible in order to prevent "dieselling" on high compression engines. With all due respect - you are talking a bit of nonsense as to the quality of Optimax. as i said earlier i'll ping up a shot of an engine renowned for coking up due to it being Direct Petrol Injection and having no fuel air mixture washing through he inlet ports. Have a google of VW TSI inlet port coking and see the difference between mine at then 70K and others at much lower miles run on weasel piss. As for the mower or the genny, they have never complained! Are you pair not talking at cross purposes, sort of? Vince is right about the octane ratings and your right about optimax/v power cleaning properties.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 22, 2021 6:51:53 GMT
Well, if you read the press release in Andyberg's post, what is happening this Summer is that petrol currently sold as "Premium" is going to become bog-standard petrol whereas petrol currently sold as "Regular" is going to be sold as "Super", obviously with the attendant cost increase. I would imagine that many people will continue to buy whatever is the most expensive, believing their car will love them more.
Plenty of information out there on the internet about what type of petrol a certain type of engine should use. Optimax does have detergents added but it's a lot cheaper to bung in a slosh of Miller's or somesuch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 7:07:33 GMT
With all due respect - you are talking a bit of nonsense as to the quality of Optimax. as i said earlier i'll ping up a shot of an engine renowned for coking up due to it being Direct Petrol Injection and having no fuel air mixture washing through he inlet ports. Have a google of VW TSI inlet port coking and see the difference between mine at then 70K and others at much lower miles run on weasel piss. As for the mower or the genny, they have never complained! Are you pair not talking at cross purposes, sort of? Vince is right about the octane ratings and your right about optimax/v power cleaning properties. Not quite, read Vince's post ref Millers snake oil. As for octane ratings - mouse has a nice tale about that......
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Post by ianali on Jun 22, 2021 7:32:11 GMT
Are you pair not talking at cross purposes, sort of? Vince is right about the octane ratings and your right about optimax/v power cleaning properties. Not quite, read Vince's post ref Millers snake oil. As for octane ratings - mouse has a nice tale about that...... I will hold my hand up and admit to using additives(seafoam) and see good results. Millers I know is also well proven in some circles. Not a discussion I’m wanting on here. Has been done to death on my bike and car forums. I always go for the higher octane fuels for my old bikes, because they contain less(no?) bloody ethanol. Only money ain’t it.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 22, 2021 7:40:58 GMT
Are you pair not talking at cross purposes, sort of? Vince is right about the octane ratings and your right about optimax/v power cleaning properties. Not quite, read Vince's post ref Millers snake oil. As for octane ratings - mouse has a nice tale about that...... If you care to ask on TruckNet, any fuel tanker driver will tell you that regular and premium petrols are pumped into the tanker from the same source at the refinery and the additives are added when the petrol in in the tanker by the driver. I would imagine what they add is pretty much the same as Millers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 7:46:39 GMT
We use organic diesel for the estate management fleet and the farm machinery.
Costs more and suppliers make more profit but it makes one feel good about oneself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 7:48:21 GMT
Not quite, read Vince's post ref Millers snake oil. As for octane ratings - mouse has a nice tale about that...... I will hold my hand up and admit to using additives(seafoam) and see good results. Millers I know is also well proven in some circles. Not a discussion I’m wanting on here. Has been done to death on my bike and car forums. I always go for the higher octane fuels for my old bikes, because they contain less(no?) bloody ethanol. Only money ain’t it. As you say that will be the main reason for using it in old stuff - back round full circle You rightly point out that it is a discussion done to death across multiple forums - Mr Stabby can imagine all he likes - my car is as good an advert for not running on weasel piss as any!
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 22, 2021 7:55:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 8:00:35 GMT
Nicked from Andy's link. www.fbhvc.co.uk/fuelsObserved problem of overheating in two-stroke engines operating on fuel containing ethanol: Operating two-stroke engines on petrol containing ethanol will result in enleanment of the fuel-air mixture and can cause overheating resulting in piston and piston ring scuffing and engine failure due to reduced operating clearances. Higher operating temperatures can also lead to higher piston and piston ring groove deposits that can also cause piston ring stick and piston scuffing. These engines are usually equipped with carburettors and ideally should be adjusted to enrich the mixture and hence lower engine operating temperatures. Adjustment may mean re-jetting and manufacturers should be contacted for advice. It is also very important to use high-quality two-stroke oil capable of protecting the engine at high temperatures that produce less engine deposits and enhanced lubrication. Always observe the manufacturers recommendations on mixing ratios for optimum protection and low-smoke emissions. From a fuel perspective, some manufacturers in Scandinavia and other European countries are marketing small quantities (5 litre cans) of an alkylate petrol that does not contain ethanol and has a high octane. Alkylate is a mixture of branch-chain paraffins with a high octane and is produced by combining light hydrocarbons from refinery catalytic cracking (propenes and butenes) with isobutane in the presence of a strongly acidic catalyst. Alkylate is widely used as a high octane blend component in modern petrol and was used extensively in the Second World War to manufacture high octane aviation petrol for military use. Alkylate burns very cleanly with low engine deposits and is favoured for handheld equipment such as chainsaws and is also a key component of aviation gasoline (Avgas). There is currently a proposal to develop a European CEN fuel standard for alkylate petrol as there can be issues with the manufacturing process resulting in contamination that can cause problems in engines. Alkylate petrol will remain a low volume petrol product and is primarily aimed at the small engine market. Avgas it is then!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 8:07:23 GMT
Electric driven by batteries might be interesting for cars one day.
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 22, 2021 8:12:04 GMT
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Post by JohnV on Jun 22, 2021 8:15:36 GMT
The VED of my car has already cost me more than the car did
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Post by peterboat on Jun 22, 2021 8:36:52 GMT
LOL its never going to happen 12 sites in the UK sell it one near me the hydrogen they produce is for industry and sheffield uni who is experimenting with it conclusion is its a waste of time and have you seen the price of the car? will make you weep
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