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Post by Telemachus on Dec 24, 2021 20:36:35 GMT
So I rather disagree with the “CRT is out to get live aboard boaters”. You always will and always have, no matter what. Crt policy is and always has been to rid the waterways of liveaboard boaters with no mooring. They have recently realised that this will be a long drawn out process, but have nonetheless set the ball rolling. It does not, or will not effect you, and owing to this fact plus your disinterest, your knowledge of the subject will be extremely poor. You’re right, it doesn’t affect me directly. But I know a number of live aboard boaters with no home mooring. None of them have had any adverse encounters with CRT whatsoever. |
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Post by kris on Dec 24, 2021 20:56:58 GMT
You always will and always have, no matter what. Crt policy is and always has been to rid the waterways of liveaboard boaters with no mooring. They have recently realised that this will be a long drawn out process, but have nonetheless set the ball rolling. It does not, or will not effect you, and owing to this fact plus your disinterest, your knowledge of the subject will be extremely poor. You’re right, it doesn’t affect me directly. But I know a number of live aboard boaters with no home mooring. None of them have had any adverse encounters with CRT whatsoever. so your friends a cc’er? |
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 24, 2021 21:15:13 GMT
You’re right, it doesn’t affect me directly. But I know a number of live aboard boaters with no home mooring. None of them have had any adverse encounters with CRT whatsoever. so your friends a cc’er? Well yes, I think “no home mooring” is synonymous with “cc’er”(sic) isn’t it? Of the top of my head I can think of 4, not counting anyone on here. |
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Post by metanoia on Dec 24, 2021 21:21:29 GMT
Well yes, I think “no home mooring” is synonymous with “cc’er”(sic) isn’t it? Of the top of my head I can think of 4, not counting anyone on here. 4 friends or four ccers?! Seriously, as a genuine ccer I would have no objection to an increment in our licence to cover the cost of our extra water/rubbish/elsan disposal costs. |
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Post by kris on Dec 24, 2021 21:24:42 GMT
You’re right, it doesn’t affect me directly. But I know a number of live aboard boaters with no home mooring. None of them have had any adverse encounters with CRT whatsoever. so your friends a cc’er? And my friends gay. |
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Post by metanoia on Dec 24, 2021 21:26:09 GMT
eta - as long as that means I can access those facilities when the p-takers will let me .......
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Post by kris on Dec 24, 2021 21:35:09 GMT
eta - as long as that means I can access those facilities when the p-takers will let me ....... Is there really that many piss takers? |
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Post by metanoia on Dec 24, 2021 21:45:23 GMT
eta - as long as that means I can access those facilities when the p-takers will let me ....... Is there really that many piss takers? Sadly, too many in some areas - and they are so very often NOT the ones that are picked on. There are some places where the right looking boat seems to get away with it for many years yet other genuine - and often needy - people have been hounded out. |
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Post by kris on Dec 24, 2021 21:58:27 GMT
Is there really that many piss takers? Sadly, too many in some areas - and they are so very often NOT the ones that are picked on. There are some places where the right looking boat seems to get away with it for many years yet other genuine - and often needy - people have been hounded out. It seems the ones showing no name or number get away with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2021 22:05:10 GMT
Sadly it sometimes seems that the most vulnerable seem to make the easiest, softest targets.
Rog
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Post by metanoia on Dec 24, 2021 22:14:37 GMT
Sadly it sometimes seems that the most vulnerable seem to make the easiest, softest targets. Rog Yes, I know an old guy with a dilapidated boat who stayed within a fairly small area but always well out of anyone's way. He nearly killed himself cycling miles to the shops every few days because he stayed miles away from anyone, causing no inconvenience to anyone. In that same period (10 or more years) I have seen a "nice" boat with a couple who are so well dressed and coiffed they look like they live in a magazine. They tell anyone passing on the towpath they travel abroad extensively. They are invariably in town or on a VM. I was truly shocked a few weeks ago to see that they could actually manage a lock or two - first time I've ever seen that boat do that though, to be fair, I DO only visit once or twice a year) but I have only EVER seen that boat within an approximate 5 mile radius in all the years I have been traversing that area. Pleased to say that first lovely old chap has been helped by the Chaplaincy and is doing well. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 25, 2021 22:23:18 GMT
"Liveaboard gits" is the correct term. You don't live aboard obviously. Are you a CC git then? Magnetman isn't a liveaboard boater? Well, that's a bit of a shock.  |
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Post by bod on Dec 26, 2021 11:00:14 GMT
What's wrong with picking on idiots who moor badly, those of you who approve, how long should they be able to stay badly moored? The idiots get a talking to, awarded with a move along certificate, but no serious action is taken for 28 days. River Lee is a different issue, pandering to rich rowers. The problem with this new, procedure is that it is trying to usurp the present legislation let alone carts own procedures. The next step is to seize the boat for no liscence. Unless the boater is clever the question about the real issue why the liscence has been revoked is never brought before a court. Far to crafty a policy for a third sector organisation, me thinks. Yes there has been an increase in idiots on the water and the number of boats that moor in stupid places. Most organisations would be providing more services for the increased customer base. But not cart, oh no they in tend to take peoples boats. The question is why don’t they use the current legislation and prosecute for breaking bye laws ? They would rather try and usurp the law. This is how arrogant Richard parry’s cart has become. This nonsense will only persist until the core issue is brought before the appropriate authority. This is exactly what another member on this forum has attemped do. He wanted to get C&RT before a Judge, to enable the Trust to explain how their T's & C's override legislation. This explanation would be of great benefit to all boaters. The E. A. have very similar Bylaws to C&RT and manage well with them, true, the fines are smaller, but the threat of a Criminal Record is a powerful one, that can have strong repercussions, for some people.
Bod.
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Post by kris on Dec 26, 2021 11:57:52 GMT
The problem with this new, procedure is that it is trying to usurp the present legislation let alone carts own procedures. The next step is to seize the boat for no liscence. Unless the boater is clever the question about the real issue why the liscence has been revoked is never brought before a court. Far to crafty a policy for a third sector organisation, me thinks. Yes there has been an increase in idiots on the water and the number of boats that moor in stupid places. Most organisations would be providing more services for the increased customer base. But not cart, oh no they in tend to take peoples boats. The question is why don’t they use the current legislation and prosecute for breaking bye laws ? They would rather try and usurp the law. This is how arrogant Richard parry’s cart has become. This nonsense will only persist until the core issue is brought before the appropriate authority. This is exactly what another member on this forum has attemped do. He wanted to get C&RT before a Judge, to enable the Trust to explain how their T's & C's override legislation. This explanation would be of great benefit to all boaters. The E. A. have very similar Bylaws to C&RT and manage well with them, true, the fines are smaller, but the threat of a Criminal Record is a powerful one, that can have strong repercussions, for some people.
Bod.
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Post by Jim on Dec 26, 2021 18:10:21 GMT
This is exactly what another member on this forum has attemped do. He wanted to get C&RT before a Judge, to enable the Trust to explain how their T's & C's override legislation. This explanation would be of great benefit to all boaters. The E. A. have very similar Bylaws to C&RT and manage well with them, true, the fines are smaller, but the threat of a Criminal Record is a powerful one, that can have strong repercussions, for some people.
Bod.
who are you talking about? If it’s Tony then he hasn’t been very successful! Because he didn't choose his battleground, left his flank open to a sly bss manoeuvre. He might have been right but it wasn't a wise move. |
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