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Post by Jim on Oct 1, 2022 7:46:28 GMT
Give him TDs phone number I'm sure he can help Although, obviously, meant facetiously, . . that is in fact a very sound suggestion. If what has been stated with regard to this man's situation is true, accurate and complete, and his boat is moored on the Trent Navigation, . . the maximum penalty that can be lawfully imposed via action by C&RT is a fine - under Section 5(2) of the British Waterways Act 1971. Shame you didn't pursue that line of defence to the supreme court, the poor chap would be in a stronger position if you had. But you gave them a firm grip on your throat with your lack of BSS. Wrong strategy, as many here said when they were supporting you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2022 7:59:12 GMT
I would be very hesitant to take advice from someone who has demonstrated that CRT can and do remove boats and dispose of them. Giving advice that "They can't legally do that" is only effective from someone like the late NigelMoore who followed it right through, tenaciously and with incredible determination and proved that they actually couldn't do "that". "that" being charging a fee for moorings on the part of Brent creek where his boat was. It is interesting to note that some of the others who had their mooring fees reimbursed were not happy about it. Perhaps they liked the official nature and precedent of paying to moor. Gives you more clout with the council if they start to think you are squatting. "We've been paying BWB for years, it must be an official mooring". In the case of the OP then unless it is shown that CRT are acting illegally the WILL remove the boat. Giving advice to someone about to have his boat seized that they can't do that is BAD ADVICE.
also "Facetiously" is one of only two or three words in the English language to have all the vowels, in the correct order and even have a y at the end.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Oct 1, 2022 8:15:53 GMT
Every word of the last two posts by A and Jim are complete and utter twaddle that does no more than to underline the fact that neither of them have properly read or understood what I said earlier in this thread, . . and nor do either of them even begin to understand or follow ANYTHING, including the progress, of my current ongoing dispute with C&RT in respect of its long standing persistent abuse and misuse of a number of its governing statutes.
Neither of you have the faintest idea of anything you're spouting about, . . so, educate yourselves, . . or shut up and mind your own business.
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Post by Jim on Oct 1, 2022 8:33:44 GMT
Every word of the last two posts by A and Jim are complete and utter twaddle that does no more than to underline the fact that neither of them have properly read or understood what I said earlier in this thread, . . and nor do either of them even begin to understand or follow ANYTHING, including the progress, of my current ongoing dispute with C&RT in respect of its long standing persistent abuse and misuse of a number of its governing statutes. Neither of you have the faintest idea of anything you're spouting about, . . so, educate yourselves, . . or shut up and mind your own business. You are correct in that we don't understand what you are up to, cos you don't say. Simple. Fair enough if you are keeping your cards close to your chest, but don't use it as an excuse to be dunkley about it. When will your case come to fruition, so you can tell us all about it at a celebratory party on the recovered Stunned Kingfisher?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2022 8:35:20 GMT
I can tell the difference between someone who gets shit done and someone who doesn't get shit done Don't advise other boat owners that CRT can not remove their boats. They can, and as we have seen they will. Also DO NOT tell anyone else to 'shut up' on this forum.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Oct 1, 2022 8:57:50 GMT
I can tell the difference between someone who gets shit done and someone who doesn't get shit done Don't advise other boat owners that CRT can not remove their boats. They can, and as we have seen they will. Also DO NOT tell anyone else to 'shut up' on this forum. Firstly, . . I haven't advised anyone that C&RT 'cannot remove' their boats - READ WHAT I DID ACTUALLY SAY ! Secondly, . . SHUT UP !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2022 9:32:16 GMT
Twat.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Oct 1, 2022 14:18:17 GMT
There’s a boater near where I am at the moment who has been served a section 8. He’s been stationary for two years. No licence, no insurance and no safety cert. He’s bloody minded and despite lots of people telling him otherwise he believes crt won’t take his boat. Sound familiar? Lots of people have tried to help him, including. People offering him tows, ( the engine doesn’t work.) it’s actually really sad but what do you do in this situation? When someone believes they know best, but everybody else can see the slow motion car crash happening. If you have a genuine concern for this man, . . and do actually care about what it appears from what you have said that C&RT are probably intending to do, . . the best you can do for him is to put him in touch with me. If he lives on his boat it will be C&RT's intention to throw one of its routine eviction parties founded on a fraudulently misrepresented Court Order, the presence of bogus Bailiffs supposedly seizing the craft with the authority of the Court, and the attendance of inadequately trained Police Officers who will be lied to and persuaded that the misrepresented Court Order is the equivalent of, or has the same effect as, a Court issued Warrant or Writ of Control. If he doesn't live on his boat, the C&RT procedure will be much the same, . . with bogus Bailiffs and Police in attendance, . . but with statutory Section 8 and Section 13 Notices replacing the fraudulently misrepresented Court Order, . . and a slightly different 'spiel' being fed to the attending Police Officers. With the current level of detailed knowledge of C&RT's unlawful and extra-statutory boat seizure procedures, . . and the unlawful procedures so well documented -- as opposed to the lawful statutory boat 'removal' procedures that C&RT NEVER EVER uses or adheres to -- precautions and measures can be put in place ahead of C&RT's anticipated unlawful actions that will, . . provided that the Law, as a whole, is observed and adhered to by all parties involved, . . put a halt to any attempt on C&RT's part to effect an unlawful boat seizure or removal.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 1, 2022 14:49:37 GMT
Yea that's a good idea because when it comes to legal battles with CRT concerning seizure notices, Tony's your man.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Oct 1, 2022 15:08:59 GMT
Yea that's a good idea because when it comes to legal battles with CRT concerning seizure notices, Tony's your man. You can help here, . . explain what a C&RT 'seizure notice' is, . . or better still, post a copy example of one with the explanation.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 1, 2022 15:20:20 GMT
Yea that's a good idea because when it comes to legal battles with CRT concerning seizure notices, Tony's your man. You can help here, . . explain what a C&RT 'seizure notice' is, . . or better still, post a copy example of one with the explanation. Better if you do it really, seeing as how you've got one.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Oct 1, 2022 15:38:45 GMT
You can help here, . . explain what a C&RT 'seizure notice' is, . . or better still, post a copy example of one with the explanation. Better if you do it really, seeing as how you've got one. No, . . never seen or had one, . . no such thing.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 1, 2022 15:44:27 GMT
Better if you do it really, seeing as how you've got one. No, . . never seen or had one, . . no such thing. It's that bit of paper they gave you when they took your boat away.
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Post by Gone on Oct 1, 2022 16:14:37 GMT
No, . . never seen or had one, . . no such thing. It's that bit of paper they gave you when they took your boat away. He is correct, CRT did not seize his boat, they removed it from CRT controlled waters and made it available for collection - after paying the costs associated with it’s removal as per the act.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 1, 2022 16:38:59 GMT
It's that bit of paper they gave you when they took your boat away. He is correct, CRT did not seize his boat, they removed it from CRT controlled waters and made it available for collection - after paying the costs associated with it’s removal as per the act. CRT took possession of it, which is the very definition of seizure.
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