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Post by kris on Jul 16, 2023 8:54:39 GMT
This is from a thread on anal world. There seem to be a percentage of posters over there, that consider a large liscence fee increase the way to go,( for boaters with no home mooring and widebeams.) They seem to think this will decrease the number of the particular boater they dislike. I’ve pointed out the consequences will mean the waterways are full of rich people, the benefit funded and the lawless. There is an increase in the number of boats not showing any name or number. This will only increase if the huge liscence increase is brought in. So the people most effected will be middle income leasure boaters. It seems a bit like turkeys voting for Xmas.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 16, 2023 9:21:05 GMT
This is from a thread on anal world. There seem to be a percentage of posters over there, that consider a large liscence fee increase the way to go,( for boaters with no home mooring and widebeams.) They seem to think this will decrease the number of the particular boater they dislike. I’ve pointed out the consequences will mean the waterways are full of rich people, the benefit funded and the lawless. There is an increase in the number of boats not showing any name or number. This will only increase if the huge liscence increase is brought in. So the people most effected will be middle income leasure boaters. It seems a bit like turkeys voting for Xmas. I didn’t bother to read that thread. However it is the case that CRT are facing even more of a funding squeeze, and that will follow on to even crappier maintenance - it is already pretty dire. So what is the answer if not increasing licence fees? It is a bit like increasing top rate income tax though - rich people who can afford accountants, offshore accounts, trust funds etc find ways to avoid paying it and actually the tax take can fall. So as you say, a large increase in licence fees will result in increased evasion. Is there actually a legal framework for CRT to charge more for CCers? There is only the one licence. I would have thought (but don’t know) that creating different categories of licence for home mooring or not, would require a change to the law, which seems unlikely to happen.
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Post by kris on Jul 16, 2023 9:26:03 GMT
It just seems interesting that their is a percentage of boaters that are supporting large increases for certain boaters, widebeams and boats without home moorings. Without thinking about the inevitable consequences. Definitely turkeys voting for Christmas. Anecdotally there does seem to be an increase in boats with no name or number showing, that’s before a large increase.
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 16, 2023 9:27:28 GMT
I expect they will just do it and wait for a legal challenge...
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Post by kris on Jul 16, 2023 9:28:48 GMT
I expect they will just do it and wait for a legal challenge... I think it was Nigel Moore that said there is a case for charging different amounts.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 16, 2023 9:31:05 GMT
I expect they will just do it and wait for a legal challenge... I think it was Nigel Moore that said there is a case for charging different amounts. And of course at the moment, most people with a home mooring pay CRT more than a CCer does (due to CRT’s 10% take from mooring berths, which adds 10% to mooring fees).
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Post by kris on Jul 16, 2023 9:32:33 GMT
I think it was Nigel Moore that said there is a case for charging different amounts. And of course at the moment, most people with a home mooring pay CRT more than a CCer does (due to CRT’s 10% take from mooring berths, which adds 10% to mooring fees). It’s personal choice to have a mooring or not.
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Post by kris on Jul 16, 2023 9:42:38 GMT
So anyway I think the consequences of a large liscence fee increase will be an increase in boats that just ignore crt. No name, no liscence and no number. So the waterways population will end up being made up of The lawless, the benefit funded and wealthy people.
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Post by Jim on Jul 16, 2023 9:48:21 GMT
It will be a personal choice whether to have a fat boat and cc too. I pay CRT circa £400 for my l3 mooring at the top of the hill. I could argue it's not fair because I've chosen to towpath dump all summer.
However, if there are increases, it should be spread across all boaters equally.
I wonder which category we identify with... The lawless, the benefit funded and wealthy people?
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Post by ianali on Jul 16, 2023 9:54:56 GMT
So anyway I think the consequences of a large liscence fee increase will be an increase in boats that just ignore crt. No name, no liscence and no number. So the waterways population will end up being made up of The lawless, the benefit funded and wealthy people. I agree with this. Also it will lead to a few that just leave the waterways I’d guess. Increases to fees will make little difference anyway will it? The odd million here or there is loose change in the grand scheme of things. Anyway, CRT will do whatever they wish, nothing we can do about it.
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Post by kris on Jul 16, 2023 9:58:50 GMT
So anyway I think the consequences of a large liscence fee increase will be an increase in boats that just ignore crt. No name, no liscence and no number. So the waterways population will end up being made up of The lawless, the benefit funded and wealthy people. I agree with this. Also it will lead to a few that just leave the waterways I’d guess. Increases to fees will make little difference anyway will it? The odd million here or there is loose change in the grand scheme of things. Anyway, CRT will do whatever they wish, nothing we can do about it. I agree that the increases will only raise the odd million or two making no difference in the scheme of things. I don’t agree there’s nothing we can do about it.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 16, 2023 10:04:09 GMT
I agree with this. Also it will lead to a few that just leave the waterways I’d guess. Increases to fees will make little difference anyway will it? The odd million here or there is loose change in the grand scheme of things. Anyway, CRT will do whatever they wish, nothing we can do about it. I agree that the increases will only raise the odd million or two making no difference in the scheme of things. I don’t agree there’s nothing we can do about it. Exactly. We could rip their hearts out with our bare hands and eat them in front of them. That'd teach them.
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Post by kris on Jul 16, 2023 10:05:00 GMT
I agree that the increases will only raise the odd million or two making no difference in the scheme of things. I don’t agree there’s nothing we can do about it. Exactly. We could rip their hearts out with our bare hands and eat them in front of them. That'd teach them. I keep telling people, I save this for special occasions.
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Post by ianali on Jul 16, 2023 10:15:32 GMT
I agree with this. Also it will lead to a few that just leave the waterways I’d guess. Increases to fees will make little difference anyway will it? The odd million here or there is loose change in the grand scheme of things. Anyway, CRT will do whatever they wish, nothing we can do about it. I agree that the increases will only raise the odd million or two making no difference in the scheme of things. I don’t agree there’s nothing we can do about it. Well ok. Lots we can do but none will make any difference to what CRT do. The powers have won. We have let them divide us.
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Post by kris on Jul 16, 2023 10:19:35 GMT
I agree that the increases will only raise the odd million or two making no difference in the scheme of things. I don’t agree there’s nothing we can do about it. Well ok. Lots we can do but none will make any difference to what CRT do. The powers have won. We have let them divide us. Crt will do what they like, because of the lack of oversight. But your point of view does seem a little bit pessimistic.
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