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Post by Telemachus on Nov 7, 2023 11:08:49 GMT
They should just get on their bikes aye? If you say so, but that seems a bit harsh to me. Especially as bikes seem to cost £1000s these days. And I'm not clear how a bicycle can affect relative poverty statistics. OK I suppose since I have 10 bicycles, but you only have 6, you are in bicycle poverty, you poor thing. Perhaps there will be a bicycle bank, like a food bank only with bicycles? |
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Post by ianali on Nov 7, 2023 12:02:33 GMT
I can’t imagine that anyone of us here, hasn’t noticed that there is a rapidly developing divide between the haves, and have nots in the UK. If this isnt addressed in the near future then i can see very troubled times arriving soon. I’m not a supporter of any particular party, but the present government is very cruel in its treatment of those in need of help. I am ashamed of my own country.
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Post by brummieboy on Nov 7, 2023 12:05:24 GMT
Supporting people on the 'poverty line' with extra benefits is not always the thing to do. Someone somewhere has to draw the line, and when it is drawn at a level that penalises people on low incomes who do not qualify, yet pay some tax that leaves very much behind those who fall below the line, yet exceed the level by a considerable amount after taking in tax credits, pension credits, rent allowance and council tax exemption. There is a veritable industry paid for by government helping claimants to squeeze every possible penny out of a disorganised welfare system.
I find it difficult to support food banks when one sees the individuals get out of their cars and spend 5 mins finishing their cigarettes before entering.
And again, if there is so much poverty in this country, why are so many people willing to risk life and limb to get here?
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Post by dogless on Nov 7, 2023 12:19:36 GMT
A country ianali where the Home Secretary seeks to outlaw the homeless sheltering in tents on the High Street, rather than seeking to outlaw homelessness. Rog |
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 7, 2023 12:20:52 GMT
I can’t imagine that anyone of us here, hasn’t noticed that there is a rapidly developing divide between the haves, and have nots in the UK. If this isnt addressed in the near future then i can see very troubled times arriving soon. I’m not a supporter of any particular party, but the present government is very cruel in its treatment of those in need of help. I am ashamed of my own country. I’m not sure the divide is any worse than it used to be. Having been reading the C J Sansom books set in Henry 8ths time, the divide was a lot worse then. What has happened with the cost of living crisis is that everyone’s spare income to be spent on things other than the basics, has shrunk. Those that had plenty of spare income are ok, they just have to spend a bit less on treats. Those who only just had enough for the basics, now find that they don’t have enough for the basics. So whilst the “divide” has remained much the same (the measure being relative poverty) those dipping below a living income are suffering from absolute poverty. Which is bad, but nothing to do with the relative poverty issue mentioned in the OP. |
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Post by Aloysius on Nov 7, 2023 12:20:54 GMT
A country ianali where the Home Secretary seeks to outlaw the homeless sheltering in tents on the High Street, rather than seeking to outlaw homelessness. Rog Yes but it's relative. I mean, I have ten tents and the guys on the street only have six. |
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Post by Aloysius on Nov 7, 2023 12:27:47 GMT
I find it difficult to support food banks when one sees the individuals get out of their cars and spend 5 mins finishing their cigarettes before entering. And that's exactly the fucking problem. You can't get near the food bank for all the fucking parked-up Rolls Royces. It's a real issue. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 7, 2023 12:32:51 GMT
I find it difficult to support food banks when one sees the individuals get out of their cars and spend 5 mins finishing their cigarettes before entering. But then again, high tobacco taxes are an attack on the poor... "We had a saucepan and a coffee-bowl and one spoon; every day there was a polite squabble as to who should eat out of the saucepan and who out of the coffee-bowl (the saucepan held more), and every day, to my secret anger, Boris gave in first and had the saucepan. Sometimes we had more bread in the evening, sometimes not. Our linen was getting filthy, and it was three weeks since I had had a bath; Boris, so he said, had not had a bath for months. It was tobacco that made everything tolerable" George Orwell, Down and out in Paris and London. |
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 7, 2023 12:33:07 GMT
A country ianali where the Home Secretary seeks to outlaw the homeless sheltering in tents on the High Street, rather than seeking to outlaw homelessness. Rog It already is. Vagrancy Act 1824 www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo4/5/83Persons committing certain offences to be deemed rogues and vagabonds.
Every person committing any of the offences herein-before mentioned, after having been convicted as an idle and disorderly person; [F9 every person pretending or professing to tell fortunes, or using any subtle craft, means, or device, by palmistry or otherwise, to deceive and impose on any of his Majesty’s subjects; ] every person wandering abroad and lodging in any barn or outhouse, or in any deserted or unoccupied building, or in the open air, or under a tent, or in any cart or waggon, [F10 not having any visible means of subsistence ] and not giving a good account of himself or herself; |
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Post by on Nov 7, 2023 12:36:15 GMT
Its good it doesn't include boats yet..
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Post by Aloysius on Nov 7, 2023 12:43:49 GMT
We could build big houses which sleep loads of people - you can get a lot of mattresses on the floor - and in return for somewhere to sleep and some food, most likely soup, because the poor really like soup, they could do some useful work. We could call it 'The Sleep Eat and Work House'. Problem solved.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 7, 2023 12:46:31 GMT
We could build big houses which sleep loads of people - you can get a lot of mattresses on the floor - and in return for somewhere to sleep and some food, most likely soup, because the poor really like soup, they could do some useful work. We could call it 'The Sleep Eat and Work House'. Problem solved. The treadmills of old, connected to electrical generators, could solve climate change! |
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Post by dogless on Nov 7, 2023 12:46:55 GMT
The TPC 1824 were created to deal with soldiers returning from Europe having fought for King and Country in the Peninsular Wars and culminating at Waterloo in 1815, begging on the streets and using their injuries to do so.
These sights disturbed the middle classes so needed to be eradicated.
How far we've come as a society in two hundred years.
Rog
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Post by on Nov 7, 2023 12:48:05 GMT
Too many furriners.
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Post by on Nov 7, 2023 12:51:08 GMT
It isn't a good move to deliberately import clever people from other countries to do the work. The logical outcome is that these other countries are then put at a disadvantage and their population will want to come here.
Once migration starts going properly (current 'issues' are nothing compared with the real thing) it gets complicated fast.
Degrading other countries is not a good approach.
Not that anything will change but there will be some whirlwind reaping by this country and little blue rinse tories in little blue rinse villages will not make any difference.
Nor will anyone else to be fair.
We're doomed !
Or maybe not.
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