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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 28, 2023 9:05:57 GMT
Making up other people's opinions to justify yours? Denying facts "no huge costs for no benefit". Show us how cheap and what the benefits are for the hard working man then. A few facts for you. Most of the uk's recent problems can be traced back historically to Labour and the Blair Brown years. Ruining pensions, practically giving away gold, hospital PFI contracts, making people welfare dependent, mass immigration, dumbing down of education and the loss of apprenticeships. I could go on, but you being a factless object full of denial would have a result of it all going over your head. A couple of big ones to add: Increasing the size of the state and creating various new expensive benefits during a time of relative boom, with no eye to the fact that booms don't last for ever. Many advocates of 'everything is the fault of the Tories' don't like to trace back historically. They claim to be progressives, everything must be viewed in the prism of right now. Having said this, they are more than happy to go back even further than this and blame Thatcher for a lack of social housing, ignoring the fact that Blair/ Brown had plenty of time to make changes, had they deemed this necessary.
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Post by Jim on Dec 28, 2023 9:42:01 GMT
A quick search, for starters. Brexit had reduced GDP by 5.5%, investment by 11%, and goods trade by 7% in the second quarter of 2022 And there's far more in the article. www.cer.eu/insights/cost-brexit-june-2022Over to you, stop wittering and dissembling, where's the list of benefits for the ordinary man, I've seen nothing of benefit, what have I missed? GDP isn't a measure of wealth. You need to look up gdp per capita. As I suggested earlier, nothing of much significance has changed, for the vast majority. You should embrace change, that's what progressives do. Evasion again. I suspect you can't find any brexit benefits or you would post them. Surely you read all those graphs etc, practicing for when you are chancellor of the anarchist cabinet?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 28, 2023 9:56:46 GMT
GDP isn't a measure of wealth. You need to look up gdp per capita. As I suggested earlier, nothing of much significance has changed, for the vast majority. You should embrace change, that's what progressives do. Evasion again. I suspect you can't find any brexit benefits or you would post them. Surely you read all those graphs etc, practicing for when you are chancellor of the anarchist cabinet? You made a claim that Brexit had brought 'huge costs'. I made no claim that Brexit had brought huge benefits. The onus is on you to justify your claim.
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Post by Jim on Dec 28, 2023 10:06:35 GMT
You made a claim that Brexit had brought 'huge costs'. I made no claim that Brexit had brought huge benefits. The onus is on you to justify your claim. I sent it. I could send more, but what did your last slave die of? Dysentery from washing your arse? You are a proponent of brexit yet you don't seem to know of any benefits. You'd be happy to share them if only to shut me up.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 28, 2023 10:08:12 GMT
You made a claim that Brexit had brought 'huge costs'. I made no claim that Brexit had brought huge benefits. The onus is on you to justify your claim. I sent it. I could send more, but what did your last slave die of? Dysentery from washing your arse? You are a proponent of brexit yet you don't seem to know of any benefits. You'd be happy to share them if only to shut me up. I wasn't responding to a post about Brexit benefits. I responded to a post about perceived 'huge costs' of Brexit.
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Post by ianali on Dec 28, 2023 10:08:45 GMT
You made a claim that Brexit had brought 'huge costs'. I made no claim that Brexit had brought huge benefits. The onus is on you to justify your claim. There is plenty of information that suggests Brexit has increased costs to the average UK resident. Whether Brexit is good or bad for the UK is a matter of opinion. It has though definitely come at a cost to the majority of us.
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Post by Jim on Dec 28, 2023 10:11:43 GMT
I sent it. I could send more, but what did your last slave die of? Dysentery from washing your arse? You are a proponent of brexit yet you don't seem to know of any benefits. You'd be happy to share them if only to shut me up. I wasn't responding to a post about Brexit benefits. I responded to a post about perceived 'huge costs' of Brexit. evasion and dissembling as usual, CBA.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 28, 2023 10:13:26 GMT
You made a claim that Brexit had brought 'huge costs'. I made no claim that Brexit had brought huge benefits. The onus is on you to justify your claim. There is plenty of information that suggests Brexit has increased costs to the average UK resident. Whether Brexit is good or bad for the UK is a matter of opinion. It has though definitely come at a cost to the majority of us. 'Huge costs' was the term used, the one I responded to.
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Post by ianali on Dec 28, 2023 10:14:39 GMT
There is plenty of information that suggests Brexit has increased costs to the average UK resident. Whether Brexit is good or bad for the UK is a matter of opinion. It has though definitely come at a cost to the majority of us. 'Huge costs' was the term used, the one I responded to. What does huge mean to you?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 28, 2023 10:29:24 GMT
'Huge costs' was the term used, the one I responded to. What does huge mean to you? In terms of Brexit 'huge' could be one or more of the following examples, some of which were (incorrectly) predicted before the referendum: Large numbers of people dying through lack of availability of medicines; a collapse of the housing market; massed unemployment; a collapse in the standard of living of the average person; widespread chronic food shortages. Any of these would be huge. A modest dip in gdp, much of it naturally occurring due to a period in which freedom of movement wasn't replaced by a new liberal migration system doesn't qualify as 'huge'. Apart from in the eyes of those naturally drawn to gross exagerration and hyperbole. 'Collapse' by the way, is just that. Modest dips shouldn't be described as collapses. Not if we wish to be accurate, and honest.
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Post by ianali on Dec 28, 2023 10:36:24 GMT
What does huge mean to you? In terms of Brexit 'huge' could be one or more of the following examples, some of which were (incorrectly) predicted before the referendum: Large numbers of people dying through lack of availability of medicines; a collapse of the housing market; massed unemployment; a collapse in the standard of living of the average person; widespread chronic food shortages. Any of these would be huge. A modest dip in gdp, much of it naturally occurring due to a period in which freedom of movement wasn't replaced by a new liberal migration system doesn't qualify as 'huge'. Apart from in the eyes of those naturally drawn to gross exagerration and hyperbole. 'Collapse' by the way, is just that. Modest dips shouldn't be described as collapses. Not if we wish to be accurate, and honest. Yeh thought it might be something like that.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 28, 2023 10:42:57 GMT
In terms of Brexit 'huge' could be one or more of the following examples, some of which were (incorrectly) predicted before the referendum: Large numbers of people dying through lack of availability of medicines; a collapse of the housing market; massed unemployment; a collapse in the standard of living of the average person; widespread chronic food shortages. Any of these would be huge. A modest dip in gdp, much of it naturally occurring due to a period in which freedom of movement wasn't replaced by a new liberal migration system doesn't qualify as 'huge'. Apart from in the eyes of those naturally drawn to gross exagerration and hyperbole. 'Collapse' by the way, is just that. Modest dips shouldn't be described as collapses. Not if we wish to be accurate, and honest. Yeh thought it might be something like that. I'd describe the negative impacts of Brexit as modest, insignificant. Similarly for the positive impacts. Not for individuals negatively or positively affected of course but when we discuss politics, we discuss for the 70 or so million, as a group. What's huge to you?
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Post by ianali on Dec 28, 2023 10:53:27 GMT
Yeh thought it might be something like that. I'd describe the negative impacts of Brexit as modest, insignificant. Similarly for the positive impacts. Not for individuals negatively or positively affected of course but when we discuss politics, we discuss for the 70 or so million, as a group. What's huge to you? £2,000,000.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 28, 2023 12:12:12 GMT
We'd still be in the eu now had Tony Bliar not opted out of the seven-year embargo on eastern Europeans working here that every other eu country except Eire and Sweden enforced. Obviously he knew this would be of enormous detriment to the working class but since when has Labour given a shit about us?
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Post by Andyberg on Dec 28, 2023 12:25:39 GMT
That’ll be the same proven pathological liar Blair, who is still busy amassing a fortune swanning around on the talk circuit for some of the world's worst human rights abusers when he should be serving time for war crimes?
He wears a red tie tho so alls good with him in Jims world!🙄
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