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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 12:20:47 GMT
As I said I'm not an electrical expert - and when I said 16a I meant the big 32a plugs like on the shoreline. Still not quite big enough for 10kw
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Post by tonyb on Nov 3, 2016 12:24:48 GMT
I'm sure it will all go swimmingly On the other hand, I feel confident that TonyB will jump in and correct them. I sort of rather hope he doesn't. Is that cruel? Well having got over a Widows hissy fit I have out a post on that thread but as the new BSS guidance refers to "battery chargers" (not charging sources) being allowed to bypass the master switch AND the interesting opinion Gibbo used to post about the BSS requirement to route the alternator through the master switch all I could do I to advise the OP to ignore any advice unless it was provided by two BSS examiners and to ask the BSS office direct. I suspect that as it is impossible to charge from an alternator without the engine running the BSS may still require it to feed via the master switch but who knows.
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 3, 2016 12:45:50 GMT
I think that the BSS rule that makes it pretty self-explanatory that Alternators are not exempt.
My bold.
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Post by Gone on Nov 3, 2016 12:50:50 GMT
Not always though. I know someone who has installed 3 different built in generator setups of between 6-10kw and he uses a plug and socket changeover. Pretty sure he is using 16 amp stuff though. A proper switch seems a better option but done right I guess the plug system is probably OK. Good news - for the users with the 10kW gennie is by using 16A connectors there are no fuses (unlike 13A plugs) to blow and disturb his TV watching Bad news - the pins in the plug/socket connection and cables will be overloaded as 10kW is about 44A and there is a real fire risk. Best you remind him of this.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 3, 2016 13:13:11 GMT
Not always though. I know someone who has installed 3 different built in generator setups of between 6-10kw and he uses a plug and socket changeover. Pretty sure he is using 16 amp stuff though. A proper switch seems a better option but done right I guess the plug system is probably OK. Good news - for the users with the 10kW gennie is by using 16A connectors there are no fuses (unlike 13A plugs) to blow and disturb his TV watching Bad news - the pins in the plug/socket connection and cables will be overloaded as 10kW is about 44A and there is a real fire risk. Best you remind him of this. At least with the pins being welded together by heat, there will be a good connection! And no need to light the coal fire.
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Post by cuthound on Nov 3, 2016 13:17:20 GMT
Not sure about "highly unlikely". I guess it depends if you are thinking portable gennies or built in units. 13a is about 3kw. One of my built in generators is 6kw which is over 13a. Its not a narrow boat to be fair but you do get generators of more than 3kw maximum output installed in narrow boats now and then I'm not an electrical expert. My generator/inverter/shore selector is a Sterling 3 way changeover switch. It seems to be suitable but as I did not fit it I actually don't know for sure if it is the right thing. Yes I was thinking portable units. A substantial built in genny such as you have would hopefully be connected "properly" via a switch. The kind of generators I used to work with could deliver up to 8000 Amps per phase!
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 3, 2016 14:11:24 GMT
Yes I was thinking portable units. A substantial built in genny such as you have would hopefully be connected "properly" via a switch. The kind of generators I used to work with could deliver up to 8000 Amps per phase! That would be a very, very, very big plug then
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Post by cuthound on Nov 3, 2016 15:39:02 GMT
The kind of generators I used to work with could deliver up to 8000 Amps per phase! That would be a very, very, very big plug then Multiple parallel cables bolted to busbars.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 3, 2016 16:50:54 GMT
Not always though. I know someone who has installed 3 different built in generator setups of between 6-10kw and he uses a plug and socket changeover. Pretty sure he is using 16 amp stuff though. A proper switch seems a better option but done right I guess the plug system is probably OK. Not too many 50A 230V plugs and sockets around. Nope .... they are mostly 63A
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Post by JohnV on Nov 3, 2016 16:51:51 GMT
That would be a very, very, very big plug then Multiple parallel cables bolted to busbars. 6mm studs ?
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Post by peterboat on Nov 3, 2016 17:12:50 GMT
I think we ought to get Max to dip her toe in this water . I will give her a call thats if she hasnt lost her phone she does make me smile and gives it alls she got
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 3, 2016 17:24:44 GMT
I think we ought to get Max to dip her toe in this water . I will give her a call thats if she hasnt lost her phone she does make me smile and gives it alls she got It's the only thread I miss since I stopped going there, so yes please, she'd fit in well here I'd guess.
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Post by smileypete on Nov 3, 2016 17:30:47 GMT
ISTR BSS allows direct connection if required by the manufacturer? (and protected by fuse obviously).
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Post by JohnV on Nov 3, 2016 17:49:59 GMT
ISTR BSS allows direct connection if required by the manufacturer? (and protected by fuse obviously). the last one I installed via an isolator also had a big notice saying do not switch off this isolator when engine is running(It was a workboat that is occasionally used by the brain dead)
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Post by canaldweller on Nov 3, 2016 18:14:16 GMT
I will give her a call thats if she hasnt lost her phone she does make me smile and gives it alls she got It's the only thread I miss since I stopped going there, so yes please, she'd fit in well here I'd guess. Went to see what all the fuss is about and couldn't find it. Who am I looking for? Miss Max, Missmax or something else?
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