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Post by Aloysius on May 18, 2024 18:33:04 GMT
Not a single country has ever chosen to return a Marxist style government. The funny thing is that you clearly consider yourself to be an intellectual. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 18, 2024 18:59:33 GMT
Not a single country has ever chosen to return a Marxist style government. The funny thing is that you clearly consider yourself to be an intellectual. Nowhere near as funny as someone who thinks he's witty, completely failing to realise how boring he is. |
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Post by Aloysius on May 18, 2024 19:01:26 GMT
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 18, 2024 19:10:20 GMT
I think on balance that a smaller government with families taking the responsibility they should naturally incurr for their actions produces a better society than one with Marxist style redistribution principles. The vast majority of the world agrees with me. Do you think our current government is based upon Marxist principles? They do redistribute wealth... No. The benefits system however, is. There are countries with wider ranging benefits and more generous payments, particularly for unemployment. Nowhere else though, is no distinction made between those who have contribtuted and those who haven't, for the vast majority of benefit categories. People sometimes wonder why some countries with higher taxes have people who seem more willing to pay them. Some Scandanavian countries are often mentioned. Could it be a factor: those making significant contributions don't find themselves excluded from receiving payments under these systems? |
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 18, 2024 19:12:04 GMT
Yes, we know, your only interest in life is films. You don't like to read about other people's interests. You feel it appropriate to point this out to them. |
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Post by fi on May 18, 2024 19:21:24 GMT
Do you think our current government is based upon Marxist principles? They do redistribute wealth... No. The benefits system however, is. The current government support and will continue with the current benefits system (with a few tweaks). |
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 18, 2024 19:23:11 GMT
No. The benefits system however, is. The current government support and will continue with the current benefits system (with a few tweaks). Indeed. There's little appetite for real change in this country. |
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Post by fi on May 18, 2024 19:30:49 GMT
The current government support and will continue with the current benefits system (with a few tweaks). Indeed. There's little appetite for real change in this country. Maybe that is because most people think our system/society is reasonably fair and only tweaks are required. |
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Post by Aloysius on May 18, 2024 19:39:56 GMT
Indeed. There's little appetite for real change in this country. Maybe that is because most people think our system/society is reasonably fair and only tweaks are required. That's not it. Everybody wants to change something but the fact is the majority of people are relatively content. |
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Post by Jim on May 19, 2024 14:01:31 GMT
Hmmm, I see I've now been labelled a Marxist. Fool! A follower of Groucho, if anything.
Setting up straw men to tilt against as ever.
As I have said clearly, people should be educated to think for themselves, to identify charlatans and political weirdos like Boris and Liz, to see the Tory rags for that they are, mouthpieces for little men with power, not a care for truth or inconvenient facts. On top of that, teaching the benefits of kindness and care for others, that it's ok to contribute to society through taxes, to help people in need when they need it without rancour. Recognise that without the state collecting these contributions the greedy will just fill their boots and bellies and waddle off with the proceeds.
I know there are those who disagree, the selfish and unkind, who label such care for others "left wing" or Marxist, as if belief in those ideas is akin to murdering babies, all bluff noise and bluster of course.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 19, 2024 14:37:29 GMT
Hmmm, I see I've now been labelled a Marxist. Fool! A follower of Groucho, if anything. Setting up straw men to tilt against as ever. As I have said clearly, people should be educated to think for themselves, to identify charlatans and political weirdos like Boris and Liz, to see the Tory rags for that they are, mouthpieces for little men with power, not a care for truth or inconvenient facts. On top of that, teaching the benefits of kindness and care for others, that it's ok to contribute to society through taxes, to help people in need when they need it without rancour. Recognise that without the state collecting these contributions the greedy will just fill their boots and bellies and waddle off with the proceeds. I know there are those who disagree, the selfish and unkind, who label such care for others "left wing" or Marxist, as if belief in those ideas is akin to murdering babies, all bluff noise and bluster of course. If you read my words you'd realise that what I describe as Marxist is the British welfare system rather than yourself. Reading compehension isn't one of your strengths, is it? Your view on how people might think, given freedom, is biased. Those educated with a free mind are likely to see the dangers of voting for a leader who hates Jews, and considers Islamic terrorists to be his friends. They certainly wouldn't vote for someone who proposes future prosperity by way of the implementation of economic theories which, whenever they have been tried in the past, have resulted in spectacular failure. Those educated with freedom of thought would certainly plump for economic theories which have been adopted by the vast majority of countries throughout the world, leading to citizens of said countries moving from being peasant farmers, scratching a meagre living from the land, into comfortably well off folk with houses, personal transport, more than adequate clothing and food, and spare cash to enjoy leisure activities. |
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Post by brummieboy on May 19, 2024 14:43:29 GMT
Hmmm, I see I've now been labelled a Marxist. Fool! A follower of Groucho, if anything. Setting up straw men to tilt against as ever. As I have said clearly, people should be educated to think for themselves, to identify charlatans and political weirdos like Boris and Liz, You've missed out Corbyn, Abbott and Milliband. Yes, people should be educated to think for themselves, but when the educators are so one sided, and allow those with views alien to their own to be denied free speech, then people wil never learn to think for themselves. When you look at all the reports of the so called peace camps at our universities, the only media report was of Oxford and Cambridge who allowed their hallowed turf to be despoiled and re-arranged graduation ceremonies to avoid offending the trespassers. Very little was made of Birmingham University who stopped the development of a camp on their common land. It would be interesting to see how the demographic of home and foreign students compared with these universities compares. |
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Post by Jim on May 20, 2024 5:39:53 GMT
Hmmm, I see I've now been labelled a Marxist. Fool! A follower of Groucho, if anything. Setting up straw men to tilt against as ever. As I have said clearly, people should be educated to think for themselves, to identify charlatans and political weirdos like Boris and Liz, You've missed out Corbyn, Abbott and Milliband. Yes, people should be educated to think for themselves, but when the educators are so one sided, and allow those with views alien to their own to be denied free speech, then people wil never learn to think for themselves. When you look at all the reports of the so called peace camps at our universities, the only media report was of Oxford and Cambridge who allowed their hallowed turf to be despoiled and re-arranged graduation ceremonies to avoid offending the trespassers. Very little was made of Birmingham University who stopped the development of a camp on their common land. It would be interesting to see how the demographic of home and foreign students compared with these universities compares. Jeremy etc al are sincere in their beliefs, Boris was a shape shifting power hungry twunt. I hold that anyone has the right to free speech, don't agree with no platforming, as for protests at unis, it's part of a student's education, as it was in our day. Check this out www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw0v8d805ypo?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1I5GUEw1Yicuye19eP7Rwv_jfuyb5_65lu7WR9cSbHBCnozHzEOWqNVRU_aem_Af9_fXMGS58nz_iPIxUAQoW9D0vcEgLM0ivLRaYcRauLUCE2hPXelpgHqY6bllqzO2KygYI1BroH_Kwfhn3mwKrc"Frank" didn't want to give his name, BBC chose it for him. He's my grandson, studying politics, left and proud! As I told him, it's always good for an organisation to have a Frank spokesperson 😉. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 20, 2024 7:07:48 GMT
I'd hazard a guess that Jewish people would feel particularly uncomfortable in and around the company of people like 'Frank'. It's ironic really that the left spent decades convincing people that racism was the worst crime imaginable but then, at the drop of a hat, fail, against their own measures.
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Post by Jim on May 20, 2024 7:17:23 GMT
I'd hazard a guess that Jewish people would feel particularly uncomfortable in and around the company of people like 'Frank'. It's ironic really that the left spent decades convincing people that racism was the worst crime imaginable but then, at the drop of a hat, fail, against their own measures. As ever you guess completely wrong. Frank is campaigning against Israeli action in gaza. Many jews and israelis do not support the Israeli action in gaza. My grandson is bright enough to know the difference. Obviously not everyone is. Prime candidate for re education! |
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