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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 11:22:50 GMT
If Crt is a private Company(albeit with some charitable aims) then surely the transfer of assets from BW to Crt was privatisation? Assets owned by the nation are now owned by a private company, or am I wrong? In all honesty, the only thing that suggests the canals are "not" in private hands, is the paperwork. Realistically, although Parry has to go through a paper process with whatever minister is in charge of the waterways before flogging stuff off, there are never any hurdles to jump. You can believe the canals have been privatised, and I will fully agree. I don't believe people are fully aware of the amount of assets being sold off, and the fact that the proceeds are not being reinvested as we expect. I reckon we will see the "fallout" of mismanagement within five years, and it won't be pretty.
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Post by kris on Nov 30, 2016 11:32:01 GMT
I was actually agreeing with you Kris. It's a concern. it was in response to nicks interlectual masturbation. But you had posted before I hit post. It is a concern.
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Post by kris on Nov 30, 2016 11:37:38 GMT
If Crt is a private Company(albeit with some charitable aims) then surely the transfer of assets from BW to Crt was privatisation? Assets owned by the nation are now owned by a private company, or am I wrong? In all honesty, the only thing that suggests the canals are "not" in private hands, is the paperwork. Realistically, although Parry has to go through a paper process with whatever minister is in charge of the waterways before flogging stuff off, there are never any hurdles to jump. You can believe the canals have been privatised, and I will fully agree. I don't believe people are fully aware of the amount of assets being sold off, and the fact that the proceeds are not being reinvested as we expect. I reckon we will see the "fallout" of mismanagement within five years, and it won't be pretty. the shit is definately going to hit the fan within 5 years I agree. It is scary how many assets are being sold off. There doesn't seem to be anybody questioning this process well within the organisation anyway. I think Richard parry has been brought in to asset strip the waterways. Privatise as many of the maintenance contracts as possible. Whilst all the time smiling and pretending to be protecting "our heritage" I'm sure the concerted effort to get rid of livaboard boaters is because they complain about this process.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 11:40:32 GMT
In all honesty, the only thing that suggests the canals are "not" in private hands, is the paperwork. Realistically, although Parry has to go through a paper process with whatever minister is in charge of the waterways before flogging stuff off, there are never any hurdles to jump. You can believe the canals have been privatised, and I will fully agree. I don't believe people are fully aware of the amount of assets being sold off, and the fact that the proceeds are not being reinvested as we expect. I reckon we will see the "fallout" of mismanagement within five years, and it won't be pretty. the shit is definately going to hit the fan within 5 years I agree. It is scary how many assets are being sold off. There doesn't seem to be anybody questioning this process well within the organisation anyway. I think Richard parry has been brought in to asset strip the waterways. Privatise as many of the maintenance contracts as possible. Whilst all the time smiling and pretending to be protecting "our heritage" I'm sure the concerted effort to get rid of livaboard boaters is because they complain about this process. Absolutely.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 11:47:10 GMT
In all honesty, the only thing that suggests the canals are "not" in private hands, is the paperwork. Realistically, although Parry has to go through a paper process with whatever minister is in charge of the waterways before flogging stuff off, there are never any hurdles to jump. You can believe the canals have been privatised, and I will fully agree. I don't believe people are fully aware of the amount of assets being sold off, and the fact that the proceeds are not being reinvested as we expect. I reckon we will see the "fallout" of mismanagement within five years, and it won't be pretty. the shit is definately going to hit the fan within 5 years I agree. It is scary how many assets are being sold off. There doesn't seem to be anybody questioning this process well within the organisation anyway. I think Richard parry has been brought in to asset strip the waterways. Privatise as many of the maintenance contracts as possible. Whilst all the time smiling and pretending to be protecting "our heritage" I'm sure the concerted effort to get rid of livaboard boaters is because they complain about this process. Sadly, I think your are right. Things will have to get a lot worse before anything happens. Watching people being chucked out of their homes and dreams being destroyed on TV might just do the trick.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 30, 2016 11:55:30 GMT
I was actually agreeing with you Kris. It's a concern. it was in response to nicks interlectual masturbation. But you had posted before I hit post. It is a concern. Sorry, if you only wanted people to participate in this thread who totally agree with your jaundiced viewpoint you should have said so at the outset, and then I wouldn't have bothered. As it was you asked seemingly open questions that i was attempting to answer. More fool me.
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Post by kris on Nov 30, 2016 11:55:49 GMT
I believe there is some hope. More people are waking up to the reality. The strong community of active, younger boaters in London is going to be a big sticking point for Crt I reckon.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 30, 2016 11:58:42 GMT
Anyway, whether or not one agrees with CRT selling off assets and, since you haven't really made a case as to what they are selling off badly I don't have a view on it, the fact remains that CRT aren't a private company. But just because they are not a private company doesn't mean they can't mismanage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 12:06:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 12:24:59 GMT
I am not so pessimistic about the future and C&RT's intentions. I'm even a 'Friend' as I wish to support the canal system, which is my home.
Having said that I like to read the views of those that are, and I am grateful for those that make the time and effort to monitor C&RT's performance and conduct, and challenge them when they are wrong (as even the most staunch supporter would have to accept they are and on occasion, spectacularly so).
It is always important to listen to opposing views, in order to develop and frame one's own. But this cuts both ways don't you think.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 12:44:26 GMT
it was in response to nicks interlectual masturbation. But you had posted before I hit post. It is a concern. Sorry, if you only wanted people to participate in this thread who totally agree with your jaundiced viewpoint you should have said so at the outset, and then I wouldn't have bothered. As it was you asked seemingly open questions that i was attempting to answer. More fool me. Your attempts to undermine just about anything he says does grate to be honest. Sitting back whilst suggesting others "go get the newspaper" for you, I say go get it your feckin self for a change. Frankly, you make "apathy" look bloody tame in comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 12:46:59 GMT
I am not so pessimistic about the future and C&RT's intentions. I'm even a 'Friend' as I wish to support the canal system, which is my home. Having said that I like to read the views of those that are, and I am grateful for those that make the time and effort to monitor C&RT's performance and conduct, and challenge them when they are wrong (as even the most staunch supporter would have to accept they are and on occasion, spectacularly so). It is always important to listen to opposing views, in order to develop and frame one's own. But this cuts both ways don't you think. Rog Fair enough. Actually I hope your optimism becomes reality. It does take two sides to keep the middle in the correct place. I'm not sure if I am a pessimist or a realist. All I can say is that the state of the the infrastructure is getting worse, CRT management are getting fatter and too much time/money is being wasted on enforcing silly rules. Other than that, everything is just fine really.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 12:48:48 GMT
I am not so pessimistic about the future and C&RT's intentions. I'm even a 'Friend' as I wish to support the canal system, which is my home. Having said that I like to read the views of those that are, and I am grateful for those that make the time and effort to monitor C&RT's performance and conduct, and challenge them when they are wrong (as even the most staunch supporter would have to accept they are and on occasion, spectacularly so). It is always important to listen to opposing views, in order to develop and frame one's own. But this cuts both ways don't you think. Rog To be honest, I don't have any issues with crt itself. My only "bee in the bonnet" is with some of the total and complete idiots loitering just above management level. Stuart Mills was the top earner at the trust last year, even outpacing Parry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 14:44:21 GMT
I'm not quite sure how this forum expects to expand it's user base if every time somebody states something and somebody disagrees they just get ridiculed for it even though the response is actually factually 100% correct.
CRT is categorically not a private company in the generally accepted sense of the word and in a legal/commercial sense. It has no 'owners' and it has no shareholders. The 'friends' it has have no right to benefit financially from any success CRT has, they are net contributors nothing else.
I can see the appeal for some where somebody posts something and everybody nods sagely in agreement and everybody posts 'well said 'you're right' etc etc but frankly what is the point in that?, you might as well either talk to yourself or create a load of sock puppets to interact with each other back slapping.
However if people just stopped for a sec. and read a post properly they might actually ruddy learn something sometimes.
Edit - forgot to add - yes asset stripping is a concern because once you have asset stripped everything you are screwed and end up shutting navigations down to save money or you look to boaters to stump up a (massive) increase in licence fees or both.
I cant see the govt.remotely interested in putting taxes into what is essentially a leisure activity nowadays given their austerity program. It will be well down their priorities. So when all the valuable property has gone it will be crunch time for the Trust.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 30, 2016 15:23:16 GMT
I'm not quite sure how this forum expects to expand it's user base if every time somebody states something and somebody disagrees they just get ridiculed for it even though the response is actually factually 100% correct. CRT is categorically not a private company in the generally accepted sense of the word and in a legal/commercial sense. It has no 'owners' and it has no shareholders. The 'friends' it has have no right to benefit financially from any success CRT has, they are net contributors nothing else. I can see the appeal for some where somebody posts something and everybody nods sagely in agreement and everybody posts 'well said 'you're right' etc etc but frankly what is the point in that?, you might as well either talk to yourself or create a load of sock puppets to interact with each other back slapping. However if people just stopped for a sec. and read a post properly they might actually ruddy learn something sometimes. Edit - forgot to add - yes asset stripping is a concern because once you have asset stripped everything you are screwed and end up shutting navigations down to save money or you look to boaters to stump up a (massive) increase in licence fees or both. I cant see the govt.remotely interested in putting taxes into what is essentially a leisure activity nowadays given their austerity program. It will be well down their priorities. So when all the valuable property has gone it will be crunch time for the Trust. I don't think they (some of the original members) WANT the user base to expand. They just want to have a little monoculture club where they can all sit round wailing and moaning about how unfair things are, and dis CRT. They certainly don't want that enjoyment spoilt by anything so obnoxious as the truth, or being asked to justify their position.
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