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Post by Stumpy on Feb 2, 2017 22:57:32 GMT
Ah, but how do you personally know she was abducted?
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Post by thebfg on Feb 3, 2017 15:59:59 GMT
Ah, but how do you personally know she was abducted? I would put a big bet on her at least by now being a murder victim. I don't know why were upset with accusations. But aren't the family always first suspects until dismissed.
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Post by Delta9 on Feb 3, 2017 16:48:29 GMT
I haven't followed the case from Day One, but I'd suggest someone who can write detective stories such as Midsommer Murders or Hercule Poirot would be able to make a long list of the possibilities. Could have been a Saudi Arabian kidnapper, and now she's chained to a wall of an expensive penthouse in Bayswater for his friends to amuse themselves. The best theory I've seen so far was that she was taken by a devil worshipping cult led by Hilary Clinton so that they could harvest and eat her pineal gland to trip on the DMT.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 3, 2017 16:59:27 GMT
I think I should still like to see the 'Have You Seen her' posters of Maddie posted all over the world for many years to come, but posters in which are also many more missing kids; Maddie is just one of thousands: www.missingkids.co.uk/Missing/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 17:09:37 GMT
I have 2 small children (4.5 and 6.5 y.o). Between myself and their mother we do 100% of the childcare. Yes 100%. Grandparents are either dead or abroad.
I am very strict about them always being immediately beside me when I am out with them in public areas like shopping centres or pubs or whatever. I have even heard of a horrible story of a child being grabbed from a swing in a playground in Calais (a playground I have actually been to with my kids) and the child was later found dead. Parent needs to be very close. I don't stand over them but I also don't stand 100ft away nattering with other people. You never know what kind of scum is around.
There are too many horrible stories which look to me like parents losing their guard. Like James Bulger.
Looking after children is a huge sacrifice but if you produce them in the first place you do owe it to them to prevent shit happening while they are in a vulnerable position.
I know that protection of children can go too far and this can have its own negative effects but I definitely don't think leaving small kids alone even if you think they are sleeping is ever acceptable. A parent should always be near them.
Involving the gutter press in the death of a child makes me want to vomit.
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Post by flatdog on Feb 3, 2017 17:50:18 GMT
My experience of missing children. We were camping in dawlish warren when my 2 kids were nippers. Wife and I were cooking dinner and I realised my 3 yr old son was missing - he had been playing with 5 yr old daughter in the tent. I mean he was nowhere to be found. After @3 hrs searching we were frantic, imploring anyone and everyone to help us search for him. Wife was hysterical when it started getting dark so we called the police for help. Come midnight and he was found at an arcade with a group of older kids. Perfectly happy and unaware of anything untoward. Both of us were blubbering wrecks by this time. I'm sure most parents will recognise the blind panic and fear when something like this happens.
Maddies parents never showed these traits at all. In fact they very quickly secured the services of that celeb lawyer chap to hide behind. their TV appearances seemed too polished and I didn't detect any panic in their faces like I saw in my wife.
So I'm firmly on the guilty side. I don't trust their story and I don't believe them
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 17:53:10 GMT
I have 2 small children (4.5 and 6.5 y.o). Between myself and their mother we do 100% of the childcare. Yes 100%. Grandparents are either dead or abroad. I am very strict about them always being immediately beside me when I am out with them in public areas like shopping centres or pubs or whatever. I have even heard of a horrible story of a child being grabbed from a swing in a playground in Calais (a playground I have actually been to with my kids) and the child was later found dead. Parent needs to be very close. I don't stand over them but I also don't stand 100ft away nattering with other people. You never know what kind of scum is around. There are too many horrible stories which look to me like parents losing their guard. Like James Bulger. Looking after children is a huge sacrifice but if you produce them in the first place you do owe it to them to prevent shit happening while they are in a vulnerable position. I know that protection of children can go too far and this can have its own negative effects but I definitely don't think leaving small kids alone even if you think they are sleeping is ever acceptable. A parent should always be near them. Involving the gutter press in the death of a child makes me want to vomit. We have one coming up 3. Totally agree with everything you said.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 3, 2017 18:04:01 GMT
I was discussing the lack of freedom for children nowadays with my sister. We both had so much freedom to roam as children, a freedom that is denied to children nowadays. Understandably of course. In the early 50's I used to regularly go off for hours at a time with just our old dog, roaming the fields and woods around our home. often not returning until dark. It is such a shame that that kind of thing is denied to modern children.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 18:04:16 GMT
My experience of missing children. We were camping in dawlish warren when my 2 kids were nippers. Wife and I were cooking dinner and I realised my 3 yr old son was missing - he had been playing with 5 yr old daughter in the tent. I mean he was nowhere to be found. After @3 hrs searching we were frantic, imploring anyone and everyone to help us search for him. Wife was hysterical when it started getting dark so we called the police for help. Come midnight and he was found at an arcade with a group of older kids. Perfectly happy and unaware of anything untoward. Both of us were blubbering wrecks by this time. I'm sure most parents will recognise the blind panic and fear when something like this happens. Maddies parents never showed these traits at all. In fact they very quickly secured the services of that celeb lawyer chap to hide behind. their TV appearances seemed too polished and I didn't detect any panic in their faces like I saw in my wife. So I'm firmly on the guilty side. I don't trust their story and I don't believe them We were on holiday in Cornwall when she went missing. We went to an evening show at the Minack theatre - I felt guilty leaving our dog in the van up in the carpark about 1/4 mile away, it was on my mind he was alone out of sight and earshot thru the whole performance. God knows how those so say professional educated people ever thought it was acceptable to leave their kids unattended while they had their dinner. Something does not sit right about it at all. I seem to remember there was some awkward questions regarding their practice of sedating their kids as they didn't sleep well.
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Post by Delta9 on Feb 3, 2017 18:15:17 GMT
I was discussing the lack of freedom for children nowadays with my sister. We both had so much freedom to roam as children, a freedom that is denied to children nowadays. Understandably of course. Why understandably? It is safer now than it was back then.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 3, 2017 18:24:05 GMT
In Rotherham?
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Post by JohnV on Feb 3, 2017 18:46:50 GMT
I was discussing the lack of freedom for children nowadays with my sister. We both had so much freedom to roam as children, a freedom that is denied to children nowadays. Understandably of course. Why understandably? It is safer now than it was back then. Is it ? Is it just the perception of risk that has changed ?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 3, 2017 18:54:20 GMT
Maddies parents never showed these traits at all. In fact they very quickly secured the services of that celeb lawyer chap to hide behind. their TV appearances seemed too polished and I didn't detect any panic in their faces like I saw in my wife. So I'm firmly on the guilty side. I don't trust their story and I don't believe them She's a Scouser and he's Scottish, that's all we need to know. Somebody get a rope! In all seriousness, I don't think you can apportion guilt for a crime simply on the basis that one person's demeanour may be more stoical than another's, particularly as the television appearances you refer to did not take place on the night of Madeleine McCann's disappearance but several days afterwards. Any criticism of them putting their daughter in a position where she could disappear is somewhat negated by your own, near identical experience.
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Post by bodger on Feb 3, 2017 19:32:04 GMT
I was discussing the lack of freedom for children nowadays with my sister. We both had so much freedom to roam as children, a freedom that is denied to children nowadays. Understandably of course. Why understandably? It is safer now than it was back then. no it's not. there's just less publicity and less media.
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Post by bodger on Feb 3, 2017 19:32:53 GMT
Why understandably? It is safer now than it was back then. agree
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