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Post by Saltysplash on Apr 29, 2016 17:15:00 GMT
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Post by loafer on Apr 29, 2016 18:22:09 GMT
Sorry, can't rise to this one...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 19:41:06 GMT
What about all those EU subsidies thats a strange statistic
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Post by Higgs on Apr 30, 2016 11:19:45 GMT
What about all those EU subsidies thats a strange statistic
I guess farmers are in a prime position to reflect on that. If the results are indicative of their conclusions, who are we to dispute that finding.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 12:41:57 GMT
What about all those EU subsidies thats a strange statistic
I guess farmers are in a prime position to reflect on that. If the results are indicative of their conclusions, who are we to dispute that finding.
I wasn't aware I had disputed it,I just find it both strange and also surprising.Welcome nonetheless
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Post by peterboat on Apr 30, 2016 13:09:12 GMT
Its no surprise really they used to get subsidies before the EU, so afterwards they will be able to grow crops that they want rather than what pays the best subsidy. Wallers recently spent a few weeks doing a survey for the EU, they sent it in only to be told that it was inaccurate according to the satellite survey.....................In other word eurocricy gone mad!!!! why bother doing it in the first place bunch of tossers unemployed ones I truly hope
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 13:18:32 GMT
Its no surprise really they used to get subsidies before the EU, so afterwards they will be able to grow crops that they want rather than what pays the best subsidy. Wallers recently spent a few weeks doing a survey for the EU, they sent it in only to be told that it was inaccurate according to the satellite survey.....................In other word eurocricy gone mad!!!! why bother doing it in the first place bunch of tossers unemployed ones I truly hope Afternoon Peter,let me get this straight in my head,they are paid subsidy now and will still be subsidised under Brexit? I am surprised these Farmers want out as I always believed the EU effectively guaranteed their money.Is it purely about having more say over what they produce?
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Post by Higgs on Apr 30, 2016 13:22:37 GMT
I guess farmers are in a prime position to reflect on that. If the results are indicative of their conclusions, who are we to dispute that finding.
I wasn't aware I had disputed it,I just find it both strange and also surprising.Welcome nonetheless
Welcome.
It would be strange if we believe the farming community isn't able to understand its own problems.
Dairies are closing all the time. Supermarkets wouldn't think twice about getting what ever they need from other EU countries. Once we lose dairies to European dairy producers, we would find it very hard to recover our own lost dairies. The government are reacting in desperation to losing what remains of our steel industry. They probably wouldn't do the same for dairy producers. I'd be loathed to be forced to buy EU milk.
I also agree with Peterboat. The subsidies will still remain in some form.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 13:27:36 GMT
I wasn't aware I had disputed it,I just find it both strange and also surprising.Welcome nonetheless
Welcome.
It would be strange if we believe the farming community isn't able to understand its own problems.
Dairies are closing all the time. Supermarkets wouldn't think twice about getting what ever they need from other EU countries. Once we lose dairies to European dairy producers, we would find it very hard to recover our own lost dairies. The government are reacting in desperation to losing what remains of our steel industry. They probably wouldn't do the same for dairy producers. I'd be loathed to be forced to buy EU milk.
I welcome Farmers support for Brexit.I wasn't aware that EU milk is major problem for UK dairies, I thought it was British Supermarkets unwillingness to pay a fair price that was the problem ?
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 30, 2016 13:29:38 GMT
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Post by Higgs on Apr 30, 2016 13:35:46 GMT
Welcome.
It would be strange if we believe the farming community isn't able to understand its own problems.
Dairies are closing all the time. Supermarkets wouldn't think twice about getting what ever they need from other EU countries. Once we lose dairies to European dairy producers, we would find it very hard to recover our own lost dairies. The government are reacting in desperation to losing what remains of our steel industry. They probably wouldn't do the same for dairy producers. I'd be loathed to be forced to buy EU milk.
I welcome Farmers support for Brexit.I wasn't aware that EU milk is major problem for UK dairies, I thought it was British Supermarkets unwillingness to pay a fair price that was the problem ?
Not paying a fair price is a problem. Farmers can't keep maintaining unprofitable businesses. Whilst they are, the supermarkets are still supplied. Dairy farmers do have to watch the effects of their close European neighbours. If the UK farmers understandably give up the investment put into their dairy herds, over many years, the EU is there. But, we lose the capacity to supply milk.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 30, 2016 13:52:50 GMT
Its no surprise really they used to get subsidies before the EU, so afterwards they will be able to grow crops that they want rather than what pays the best subsidy. Wallers recently spent a few weeks doing a survey for the EU, they sent it in only to be told that it was inaccurate according to the satellite survey.....................In other word eurocricy gone mad!!!! why bother doing it in the first place bunch of tossers unemployed ones I truly hope Afternoon Peter,let me get this straight in my head,they are paid subsidy now and will still be subsidised under Brexit? I am surprised these Farmers want out as I always believed the EU effectively guaranteed their money.Is it purely about having more say over what they produce? Yes the government will give some subsidies like previous, also we produce good free range pork we are known for it around the world, due to the ban on dealing with Russia 35% of our pork market has gone overnight which means pig farmers are struggling. Leave the EU and sell the Russians the pork I say. Markets for our produce are out there plus we will trade for their produce.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 15:05:24 GMT
I welcome Farmers support for Brexit.I wasn't aware that EU milk is major problem for UK dairies, I thought it was British Supermarkets unwillingness to pay a fair price that was the problem ?
Not paying a fair price is a problem. Farmers can't keep maintaining unprofitable businesses. Whilst they are, the supermarkets are still supplied. Dairy farmers do have to watch the effects of their close European neighbours. If the UK farmers understandably give up the investment put into their dairy herds, over many years, the EU is there. But, we lose the capacity to supply milk.
So to clarify what your saying,membership of the EU doesn't effect milk prices for farmers,Greedy Supermarkets do. The only effect the Eu can have is to fill the gap left by closure of British Dairies on account of Greedy British Supermarkets. No one has stated so far why these farmers want Brexit?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 15:05:54 GMT
I welcome Farmers support for Brexit.I wasn't aware that EU milk is major problem for UK dairies, I thought it was British Supermarkets unwillingness to pay a fair price that was the problem ?
Not paying a fair price is a problem. Farmers can't keep maintaining unprofitable businesses. Whilst they are, the supermarkets are still supplied. Dairy farmers do have to watch the effects of their close European neighbours. If the UK farmers understandably give up the investment put into their dairy herds, over many years, the EU is there. But, we lose the capacity to supply milk.
I am wary of these farmers reasons for a majority being in favour of Brexit,I suspect its for their own good rather than that of the country
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 15:13:45 GMT
Afternoon Peter,let me get this straight in my head,they are paid subsidy now and will still be subsidised under Brexit? I am surprised these Farmers want out as I always believed the EU effectively guaranteed their money.Is it purely about having more say over what they produce? Yes the government will give some subsidies like previous, also we produce good free range pork we are known for it around the world, due to the ban on dealing with Russia 35% of our pork market has gone overnight which means pig farmers are struggling. Leave the EU and sell the Russians the pork I say. Markets for our produce are out there plus we will trade for their produce. Peter I know all that bollocks from Farming Today on Radio 4,please put me right on the episode I obviously missed, and if you don't know the answer then please hazard a guess,will it be more subsidy for farmers in or out of the EU? because I reckon having more say over their produce is a red herring waved in front of a gullible public
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