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Post by Jim on Mar 17, 2017 13:20:59 GMT
Just had a letter giving reasons for the 28% increase in my offside mooring fee. Apparently the towpath side site that they were comparing it to, The Pickering and Arnold site near Hebden Bridge, has closed, so they are now comparing it with Hebden Bridge moorings @ £66pmpy+vat. A place with water and sani point, shops, a dry dock etc. My mooring is 10 miles away, at the Summit of Rochdale Canal, 4 hours to the nearest water/sani point. They've asked if there are any private moorings around so I've sent off the info, the Calder Valley Cruising Club at Callis Mill charge approx £40pmpy. I've had an acknowledgement and my email has been forwarded to Jenny Whitehall and David Halliwell, both at the top of the mooring food chain. I'll keep you updated.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 13:26:21 GMT
My barge and my launch were both built by Pickwell and Arnold I know off topic sorry ! 28% increase is quite rude.
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Post by peterboat on Mar 17, 2017 13:44:01 GMT
Seems to be a very steep increase to say the least
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 17, 2017 13:50:39 GMT
I pay £312.50 per year for a 12.8 metre mooring on the North Oxford, and I have a water point adjacent to my boat, so tell them you are looking for a reduction, not an increase.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 17, 2017 13:59:40 GMT
I am Soooo glad my mooring is where it is
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Post by Jim on Mar 17, 2017 14:07:56 GMT
Does anyone know if there is an official appeal process, I did head my email "appeal against increase in mooring fee" and did ask if there was an official process? Perhaps, Debbyfiggy, if you are lurking, you might care to enlighten us, I can understand if you wish to create another sock puppet, Ratty perhaps, instead of Mole?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 16:42:32 GMT
Liked the link to here on CWDF Don't be tempted by Iconoclast's moorings. Cheap as chips, but it's a terrible bus service to the top of the Rochdale. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 16:43:34 GMT
I pay £312.50 per year for a 12.8 metre mooring on the North Oxford, and I have a water point adjacent to my boat, so tell them you are looking for a reduction, not an increase. Don't tell everyone ! Looks very nice
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Post by Jim on Mar 17, 2017 17:14:11 GMT
Liked the link to here on CWDF Don't be tempted by Iconoclast's moorings. Cheap as chips, but it's a terrible bus service to the top of the Rochdale. Rog If you copy text off here it automatically puts a link in when you post on another forum. Way to go!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 17:18:06 GMT
I thought you were being really brave too.
Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 17, 2017 17:32:54 GMT
I pay £312.50 per year for a 12.8 metre mooring on the North Oxford, and I have a water point adjacent to my boat, so tell them you are looking for a reduction, not an increase. Don't tell everyone ! Looks very nice I won't name it, not least because there aren't any vacancies, and a huge waiting list. We were enormously lucky getting on, we got chatting to a couple of boaters at Hillmorton locks who had just vacated their mooring less than two hours beforehand as they were moving the boat to Gloucester where they had found work. They gave us the farmer's number, my girlfriend phoned him there and then and turned on the womanly charm thing, we then went along and had a chat with a couple of the boaters and the next day the farmer phoned and said we could have the vacated mooring, so we leapfrogged the huge waiting list in one jump. Even more luckily, this all happened just a fortnight before I would have had to pay for another year's mooring at Brinklow Marina, and while I enjoyed my stay there, it was a lot more expensive and a little sterile. It's not residential, but there aren't any strict rules as to how long you can stay aboard, quite a few boaters spend a fair bit of time here and there really is a lovely community spirit, we're always helping each other out. We help the farmer out too, during Hurricane Doris three trees blew down onto the farmyard so the next morning we chainsawed them up and dragged them away for him, of course we now have enough firewood to last us all next Winter. I have to pay for a CRT mooring permit too, but even so the total cost of mooring is less than £750 a year so we were really lucky in getting on.
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Post by bargemast on Mar 17, 2017 18:36:06 GMT
Don't tell everyone ! Looks very nice I won't name it, not least because there aren't any vacancies, and a huge waiting list. We were enormously lucky getting on, we got chatting to a couple of boaters at Hillmorton locks who had just vacated their mooring less than two hours beforehand as they were moving the boat to Gloucester where they had found work. They gave us the farmer's number, my girlfriend phoned him there and then and turned on the womanly charm thing, we then went along and had a chat with a couple of the boaters and the next day the farmer phoned and said we could have the vacated mooring, so we leapfrogged the huge waiting list in one jump. Even more luckily, this all happened just a fortnight before I would have had to pay for another year's mooring at Brinklow Marina, and while I enjoyed my stay there, it was a lot more expensive and a little sterile. It's not residential, but there aren't any strict rules as to how long you can stay aboard, quite a few boaters spend a fair bit of time here and there really is a lovely community spirit, we're always helping each other out. We help the farmer out too, during Hurricane Doris three trees blew down onto the farmyard so the next morning we chainsawed them up and dragged them away for him, of course we now have enough firewood to last us all next Winter. I have to pay for a CRT mooring permit too, but even so the total cost of mooring is less than £750 a year so we were really lucky in getting on. It's more than understandable that you're very happy with your mooring there, but I don't understand the use of a waiting-list if it's so easy to jump that list.
The farmer may be a nice man, but he's not fair to the people that were (im)patiently waiting for a mooring to come up for them.
Peter.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 17, 2017 18:52:38 GMT
I won't name it, not least because there aren't any vacancies, and a huge waiting list. We were enormously lucky getting on, we got chatting to a couple of boaters at Hillmorton locks who had just vacated their mooring less than two hours beforehand as they were moving the boat to Gloucester where they had found work. They gave us the farmer's number, my girlfriend phoned him there and then and turned on the womanly charm thing, we then went along and had a chat with a couple of the boaters and the next day the farmer phoned and said we could have the vacated mooring, so we leapfrogged the huge waiting list in one jump. Even more luckily, this all happened just a fortnight before I would have had to pay for another year's mooring at Brinklow Marina, and while I enjoyed my stay there, it was a lot more expensive and a little sterile. It's not residential, but there aren't any strict rules as to how long you can stay aboard, quite a few boaters spend a fair bit of time here and there really is a lovely community spirit, we're always helping each other out. We help the farmer out too, during Hurricane Doris three trees blew down onto the farmyard so the next morning we chainsawed them up and dragged them away for him, of course we now have enough firewood to last us all next Winter. I have to pay for a CRT mooring permit too, but even so the total cost of mooring is less than £750 a year so we were really lucky in getting on. It's more than understandable that you're very happy with your mooring there, but I don't understand the use of a waiting-list if it's so easy to jump that list.
The farmer may be a nice man, but he's not fair to the people that were (im)patiently waiting for a mooring to come up for them.
Peter.
I don't disagree. But the farmer is 90 years old and still runs a busy farm and presumably it makes his life a lot easier if he can find somebody to take the mooring without having to make numerous phone calls to people who joined the waiting list three or four years ago but who have now changed their phone number/ sold the boat / found somewhere else. For us it was just "right place, right time", and just as when we bought the boat, some things are just meant to be.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 17, 2017 19:41:21 GMT
I pay £312.50 per year for a 12.8 metre mooring on the North Oxford, and I have a water point adjacent to my boat, so tell them you are looking for a reduction, not an increase. I still don't understand this 'offside mooring' game. I know Tony Dunkley says CRT can take a running jump, but: a) does a part of that fee get paid to CRT by the moorings owner b) did the mooring owner say "I assume you know what an end-of-garden-licence is.... that's why we're so cheap" ?? And leave you in the lurch wondering whether you should apply for such? (edited - I see you mention you pay CRT for a mooring licence. But why, if such is not needed according to Mr Dunkley?) As I understand it, the mooring owner does not pay any part of the mooring fee to CRT because the land was in his family's ownership when the canal was built and it was a condition of the original purchase that the landowner and his descendants were allowed to moor boats on the offside free of charge in perpetuity. As for Tony Dunkley's assertion, quite simply he is wrong. The fact that he refuses to accept that he is wrong does not make him any less wrong.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 17, 2017 23:12:13 GMT
I still don't understand this 'offside mooring' game. I know Tony Dunkley says CRT can take a running jump, but: a) does a part of that fee get paid to CRT by the moorings owner b) did the mooring owner say "I assume you know what an end-of-garden-licence is.... that's why we're so cheap" ?? And leave you in the lurch wondering whether you should apply for such? (edited - I see you mention you pay CRT for a mooring licence. But why, if such is not needed according to Mr Dunkley?) As I understand it, the mooring owner does not pay any part of the mooring fee to CRT because the land was in his family's ownership when the canal was built and it was a condition of the original purchase that the landowner and his descendants were allowed to moor boats on the offside free of charge in perpetuity. As for Tony Dunkley's assertion, quite simply he is wrong. The fact that he refuses to accept that he is wrong does not make him any less wrong. So if he is allowed to moor boats for free, why do you have to pay for a morning permit? Is it because it's not the farmers boat.
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