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Post by peterboat on Jun 1, 2016 14:53:02 GMT
I left because my very large salary was going to get cut by 24K so for me it wasnt worth the effort of staying that and my ex wife was messing around so it was time to dump her as well!!
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 1, 2016 15:43:24 GMT
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Post by peterboat on Jun 1, 2016 15:51:32 GMT
I get your point Foxy I think the real issue for Scotland is the huge amount of goverment/local government/council/police/NHS/fire brigade/teaching jobs that dont produce anything its way higher than other parts of the UK or was when I was there
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 16:05:16 GMT
I get your point Foxy I think the real issue for Scotland is the huge amount of goverment/local government/council/police/NHS/fire brigade/teaching jobs that dont produce anything its way higher than other parts of the UK or was when I was there With respect Peter and Mr Fox the above is absolutely nothing to do with the points I was attempting to raise with Macwolfelee.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 16:07:44 GMT
For every one of the above,I could list a success.Your post proves nothing.
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Post by macwolfelee on Jun 1, 2016 17:09:15 GMT
Sorry we are at cross purposes here,I am not aware of of any groundswell of anti English sentiment in Scotland,I don't know what you base that on ? Nationalism is not necessarily the same as Anti English and obviously the rejection of separation tends to support this. I know where you stand on Brexit and Separation which is why I wanted to leave that well alone,but what are your concerns,hopes and opinions of where we are as a country and where we could perhaps end up,how do you see our present and our future Lots of stuff if you Google 'Scotland anti English', but I do admit that my case is slightly dented by the fact that the most extreme item is from the Daily Mail. But a lot from more respectable sources.
I'm not saying at all that the Scots are anti English in general but that it is a factor in the rise of the SNP, however much they repudiate it. That and the perceived betrayal by Labour pushing people towards the only other left-wing party available, which is what you said a few posts back. (Although the SNP didn't used to be left-wing - I remember a real Rainbow Alliance up to 20 years ago).
I can't answer your questions however because I don't quite know what you mean by 'we' and 'us'. Scotland or the UK?
Or perhaps I can with regard to my hopes, because it applies to both: no more devolution, or even a rolling back, although I recognise this is unlikely. The UK playing a full part in Europe, where we could have been it's natural leaders, but it's going to take a lot of doing now, with all this referendum nonsense. As to what will actually happen, then fudge after fudge, stumbling from one crisis to the next, unfortunately (and that's whatever happens on the 23rd).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 17:21:44 GMT
Sorry we are at cross purposes here,I am not aware of of any groundswell of anti English sentiment in Scotland,I don't know what you base that on ? Nationalism is not necessarily the same as Anti English and obviously the rejection of separation tends to support this. I know where you stand on Brexit and Separation which is why I wanted to leave that well alone,but what are your concerns,hopes and opinions of where we are as a country and where we could perhaps end up,how do you see our present and our future Lots of stuff if you Google 'Scotland anti English', but I do admit that my case is slightly dented by the fact that the most extreme item is from the Daily Mail. But a lot from more respectable sources.
I'm not saying at all that the Scots are anti English in general but that it is a factor in the rise of the SNP, however much they repudiate it. That and the perceived betrayal by Labour pushing people towards the only other left-wing party available, which is what you said a few posts back. (Although the SNP didn't used to be left-wing - I remember a real Rainbow Alliance up to 20 years ago).
I can't answer your questions however because I don't quite know what you mean by 'we' and 'us'. Scotland or the UK?
Or perhaps I can with regard to my hopes, because it applies to both: no more devolution, or even a rolling back, although I recognise this is unlikely. The UK playing a full part in Europe, where we could have been it's natural leaders, but it's going to take a lot of doing now, with all this referendum nonsense. As to what will actually happen, then fudge after fudge, stumbling from one crisis to the next, unfortunately (and that's whatever happens on the 23rd).
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Sorry this is like drawing teeth Do you think the SNP are as credible in Power as anyone else or do they lack credibility,can they deliver a credible strategy for Scotland while remaining part of the UK,do you think we are being carried away on Nationalist Euphoria,how long before a credible alternative arrives and who is that likely to be, without major private investment in jobs and an over reliance on the Public sector where will future prosperity come from. These are all pertaining to Scotland as is Today.I don't buy any of that anti English rubbish its just media garbage in my opinion,I have never met an Englishman anywhere that said he was badly treated in Scotland lest perhaps some gentle banter in a pub.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 1, 2016 17:33:17 GMT
Maybe I'm just a natural cynic.
I've never known any political party, produce what could be truly described as a completely creditable strategy, for benefiting anyone apart from themselves.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 1, 2016 17:58:31 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 1, 2016 18:20:33 GMT
Whatever happens, the clock is ticking, time goes by and the inevitable comes toward us, meets us, and then goes past us. In 5 years' time we'll be able to look back and see what happened. Even if Britain left the EU we'd probably see very little change. There would still be 'trade' and 'foreign aid' and the wool would still be pulled over the eyes of the Working Class - so long as they have a Wetherspoons to retire to (with its "real ale"). The Middle Class will still be free to ruffle the pages of The Telegraph and collect their green tokens from Waitrose. The Upper Class will continue to pull the strings and dine in fine restaurants and then drive home to their mansions on the banks of the Thames. We'd still be free to travel round Europe - at least those who have 100 quid for a Passport.
Nostradamus saw it coming:
The Arab Prince Mars, Sun, Venus, Leo, The rule of the Church will succumb by sea: (arriving daily in their dinghies across the Med and English Channel?) Towards Persia very nearly a million men, The true serpent will invade Byzantium and Egypt.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 18:25:07 GMT
Maybe I'm just a natural cynic. I've never known any political party, produce what could be truly described as a completely creditable strategy, for benefiting anyone apart from themselves. Sadly quite true john,were you always such a cynic
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Post by JohnV on Jun 1, 2016 18:31:53 GMT
No,..................... it's something you acquire by observation over time
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Post by peterboat on Jun 1, 2016 19:10:22 GMT
Whatever happens, the clock is ticking, time goes by and the inevitable comes toward us, meets us, and then goes past us. In 5 years' time we'll be able to look back and see what happened. Even if Britain left the EU we'd probably see very little change. There would still be 'trade' and 'foreign aid' and the wool would still be pulled over the eyes of the Working Class - so long as they have a Wetherspoons to retire to (with its "real ale"). The Middle Class will still be free to ruffle the pages of The Telegraph and collect their green tokens from Waitrose. The Upper Class will continue to pull the strings and dine in fine restaurants and then drive home to their mansions on the banks of the Thames. We'd still be free to travel round Europe - at least those who have 100 quid for a Passport. Nostradamus saw it coming: The Arab Prince Mars, Sun, Venus, Leo, The rule of the Church will succumb by sea: (arriving daily in their dinghies across the Med and English Channel?) Towards Persia very nearly a million men, The true serpent will invade Byzantium and Egypt. I think he is right did he not also say something about a battle as well?
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Post by macwolfelee on Jun 1, 2016 22:18:05 GMT
Sorry this is like drawing teeth Do you think the SNP are as credible in Power as anyone else or do they lack credibility,can they deliver a credible strategy for Scotland while remaining part of the UK,do you think we are being carried away on Nationalist Euphoria,how long before a credible alternative arrives and who is that likely to be, without major private investment in jobs and an over reliance on the Public sector where will future prosperity come from. These are all pertaining to Scotland as is Today.I don't buy any of that anti English rubbish its just media garbage in my opinion,I have never met an Englishman anywhere that said he was badly treated in Scotland lest perhaps some gentle banter in a pub. Oh, right, so you want to know what I think of the SNP's ability to govern Scotland? Well a government is the sum of its members (note I said a government, not a party) and as far as that goes they seem as able as any other, and rather better than Scottish Labour when they were in power. But they have this albatross of independence around their necks, which is distracting them from getting on with the job in hand. I have nothing but contempt for the SNP Westminster MPs though - I don't even see the point of them, and they certainly haven't distinguished themselves.
As regards major private investment in industry and jobs, that realistically can only come from abroad these days, not only Europe but the rest of the world. Potential investors will be looking on in horror at the possibility of the UK including Scotland tearing itself away from the rest of Europe.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 1, 2016 22:40:23 GMT
Sorry this is like drawing teeth Do you think the SNP are as credible in Power as anyone else or do they lack credibility,can they deliver a credible strategy for Scotland while remaining part of the UK,do you think we are being carried away on Nationalist Euphoria,how long before a credible alternative arrives and who is that likely to be, without major private investment in jobs and an over reliance on the Public sector where will future prosperity come from. These are all pertaining to Scotland as is Today.I don't buy any of that anti English rubbish its just media garbage in my opinion,I have never met an Englishman anywhere that said he was badly treated in Scotland lest perhaps some gentle banter in a pub. Oh, right, so you want to know what I think of the SNP's ability to govern Scotland? Well a government is the sum of its members (note I said a government, not a party) and as far as that goes they seem as able as any other, and rather better than Scottish Labour when they were in power. But they have this albatross of independence around their necks, which is distracting them from getting on with the job in hand. I have nothing but contempt for the SNP Westminster MPs though - I don't even see the point of them, and they certainly haven't distinguished themselves.
As regards major private investment in industry and jobs, that realistically can only come from abroad these days, not only Europe but the rest of the world. Potential investors will be looking on in horror at the possibility of the UK including Scotland tearing itself away from the rest of Europe.
I suspect the reason we are in the do dah at the moment is far to much foreign investment the sort that comes buys and takes it away!! and all the jobs with it!! We have some great ideas then as if by magic they are being produced in another country. The EU is so corrupt that by the time it reacts its to late and another industry is down the pan.Germany at the moment is building coal fired power stations to burn brown coal, apparently they wont push up their co2 emissions? a bit like the VW scandal no country in the EU is doing a thing about it and the yanks well if VW promises to build some factories there they will shove it under the carpet too. The reason we should leave is because slowly but surely our country is being eroded and we will have nothing
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