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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 8:54:11 GMT
The hatch painted red in this photo. Quadrant shaped box with an opening curved lid. Does the top hinge or slide ? I'm thinking of putting a version of this on my front deck as currently have just escape doors not access doors. anyone know how these work? Can't recall if Sabina H has one.  |
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Post by bargemast on Dec 2, 2017 8:58:49 GMT
The hatch painted red in this photo. Quadrant shaped box with an opening curved lid. Does the top hinge or slide ? I'm thinking of putting a version of this on my front deck as currently have just escape doors not access doors. anyone know how these work? Can't recall if Sabina H has one. They used to be a common sight on Luxemotor barges, and they're sliding, first you have to open one of the doors, and then you can release a catch that allows the sliding part to slide down. Peter. |
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Post by bargemast on Dec 2, 2017 10:23:49 GMT
Maybe this photo will give you a better idea of the way they're made and work. ![]() ![]() ![]()  How strange, the photo showed on my screen in the message, but didn't show up in the posting. After several tries, I made a photo of the screen with my phone (bad quality) and that worked. Peter. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 12:05:50 GMT
Thanks for that Peter.
As there is insufficient headroom below the fordeck I would have to make up something similar but the other way around and cut a slot out of the front of the cabin and the deck plating.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 2, 2017 14:18:05 GMT
Thanks for that Peter. As there is insufficient headroom below the fordeck I would have to make up something similar but the other way around and cut a slot out of the front of the cabin and the deck plating. If your boat was mine, and I wanted headroom under the foredeck, I would rather raise the whole deck and raise the bullworks at the same time. Peter. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 14:49:14 GMT
I have considered this option also. It would involve considerably more work and my main requirement is simply to be able to have an easy access to the foredeck from inside the boat as it is a nice deck space which could be fitted with chairs and make a nice alternative sitting about area. I like sitting about areas. Specially with a view of the water and boats  |
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Post by bargemast on Dec 2, 2017 16:19:11 GMT
I have considered this option also. It would involve considerably more work and my main requirement is simply to be able to have an easy access to the foredeck from inside the boat as it is a nice deck space which could be fitted with chairs and make a nice alternative sitting about area. I like sitting about areas. Specially with a view of the water and boats A reason more to raise the whole deck then, that way you won't be bothered by a big hatchway on this deck, as there wouldn't be any need for that anymore. Raising the whole deck is a pretty straightforward job, the making of one of these round sliding hatches isn't. Peter. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 9:10:00 GMT
Yes but I would still need to be able to get out onto the deck from inside so either way doors would be required. And I want the deck as it is as it has bulwarks around it which make it a safe place to sit around.
A sliding hatch in the cabin top is the other approach and a loft type ladder to get out onto the deck from the cabin.
The idea is to have comfortable ingress/egress similar to accessing the stern deck on a narrow boat.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 3, 2017 11:07:02 GMT
Yes but I would still need to be able to get out onto the deck from inside so either way doors would be required. And I want the deck as it is as it has bulwarks around it which make it a safe place to sit around. A sliding hatch in the cabin top is the other approach and a loft type ladder to get out onto the deck from the cabin. The idea is to have comfortable ingress/egress similar to accessing the stern deck on a narrow boat. There's a solution to any problem, in your raised flat deck you can have a hatch that's flush with the deck on self draining channels, could even be a (very expensive glass deck-hatch). The bulwarks are very simple to raise aswell, everything is possible with steel, it's just a matter of doing it, or possibly in your case having it done. One thing you should do (or maybe have done that already) is take a photo with a side view of your boat, and draw the new lines on it, that's much cheaper than doing the real work, and you don't even have to hand over cash, or sign a cheque for it. Another solution would be to forget about pumping money in this boat, sell it for a fortune, and buy that lovely "RUBY" and make her exactly the way you would like your dreamboat to be, and Robert will be your uncle  . Plenty of choices, it's just a matter of making the right ones.( which btw is something I seem to be unable to do myself  ) Peter. |
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Post by JohnV on Dec 4, 2017 12:26:09 GMT
arriving late on this subject. when making the forehatch for Sabina, I deliberately didn't go for the sliding top type barge hatch which are a total pita when they start to age. They leak, let in draughts, jam or try to remove your finger tips as they feel like. I still wanted the look, so I made my own version for an emergency exit for the fore cabin (double crew cabin) It is taller than the standard design and the top hinges back to allow vertical access for large objects. The doors are 32" high and the hatch is 35" wide. Because it is wider as well as taller the proportions are little different from the standard and on a large foredeck it looks fine. The lifting top is watertight and reasonably draught free, the doors are just high enough so that it is possible to enter/exit without the top being raised  ....... however ....................this is just as well, because it weighs half a ton and the hinges rust and seize up so that is is necessary to use the anchor catting crane and winch to open it. Fitting a lock to the lid is unnecessary however, as scrotes are not strong enough to lift it  |
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Post by bargemast on Dec 4, 2017 12:47:14 GMT
arriving late on this subject. when making the forehatch for Sabina, I deliberately didn't go for the sliding top type barge hatch which are a total pita when they start to age. They leak, let in draughts, jam or try to remove your finger tips as they feel like. I still wanted the look, so I made my own version for an emergency exit for the fore cabin (double crew cabin) It is taller than the standard design and the top hinges back to allow vertical access for large objects. The doors are 32" high and the hatch is 35" wide. Because it is wider as well as taller the proportions are little different from the standard and on a large foredeck it looks fine. The lifting top is watertight and reasonably draught free, the doors are just high enough so that it is possible to enter/exit without the top being raised ....... however ....................this is just as well, because it weighs half a ton and the hinges rust and seize up so that is is necessary to use the anchor catting crane and winch to open it. Fitting a lock to the lid is unnecessary however, as scrotes are not strong enough to lift it One of my friends had a hatch like that on his luxemotor barge that was built in 1927, and last time I saw his barge was in 2004 when I visited them, the forepeak was fitted out as a comfortable accomodation for the deckhand and I slept there for a winter weekend with rain and snow and can assure you that not a drop of water leaked through the hatch (not a bucket full either), and the whole thing worked nice and smooth as if it had just left the yard in 1927. I never felt my finger were in any danger during the opening and closing procedure: going in, open the door that has the lock on it, then release the catch to let the hatch slide down, open the other door, enter go party down the stairs, close the door you opened last, pull the hatch up and block the catch, and then close the other door, and all is well, no risque for damaged fingers. His barge had never been sunk (not even during WW2, when many were sunk deliberately) and always had a proud skipper/owner, so had always been well maintained. Peter. |
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Post by JohnV on Dec 4, 2017 13:15:58 GMT
arriving late on this subject. when making the forehatch for Sabina, I deliberately didn't go for the sliding top type barge hatch which are a total pita when they start to age. They leak, let in draughts, jam or try to remove your finger tips as they feel like. I still wanted the look, so I made my own version for an emergency exit for the fore cabin (double crew cabin) It is taller than the standard design and the top hinges back to allow vertical access for large objects. The doors are 32" high and the hatch is 35" wide. Because it is wider as well as taller the proportions are little different from the standard and on a large foredeck it looks fine. The lifting top is watertight and reasonably draught free, the doors are just high enough so that it is possible to enter/exit without the top being raised ....... however ....................this is just as well, because it weighs half a ton and the hinges rust and seize up so that is is necessary to use the anchor catting crane and winch to open it. Fitting a lock to the lid is unnecessary however, as scrotes are not strong enough to lift it One of my friends had a hatch like that on his luxemotor barge that was built in 1927, and last time I saw his barge was in 2004 when I visited them, the forepeak was fitted out as a comfortable accomodation for the deckhand and I slept there for a winter weekend with rain and snow and can assure you that not a drop of water leaked through the hatch (not a bucket full either), and the whole thing worked nice and smooth as if it had just left the yard in 1927. Peter. His hatch was obviously better designed and constructed than the miserable contraptions that I had seen. I will say that I liked the idea of the sliding top but the only ones I ever used were poorly designed and constructed ..... my lifting version has its own shortcomings as well though |
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Post by bargemast on Dec 4, 2017 15:28:34 GMT
One of my friends had a hatch like that on his luxemotor barge that was built in 1927, and last time I saw his barge was in 2004 when I visited them, the forepeak was fitted out as a comfortable accomodation for the deckhand and I slept there for a winter weekend with rain and snow and can assure you that not a drop of water leaked through the hatch (not a bucket full either), and the whole thing worked nice and smooth as if it had just left the yard in 1927. Peter. His hatch was obviously better designed and constructed than the miserable contraptions that I had seen. I will say that I liked the idea of the sliding top but the only ones I ever used were poorly designed and constructed ..... my lifting version has its own shortcomings as well though His hatch and the whole barge were very well designed and constructed and properly maintained over the years. The barge was built at a famous Dutch yard named "BOOT" they also owned the engine factory where "INDUSTRIE" engines were made, and many of their barges had an Industrie as first (and often still have) engine when they left the yard. On this photo of the yard you can just about see one of these hatches  Peter. |
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....... however ....................this is just as well, because it weighs half a ton and the hinges rust and seize up so that is is necessary to use the anchor catting crane and winch to open it. Fitting a lock to the lid is unnecessary however, as scrotes are not strong enough to lift it 
