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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 3:23:55 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on May 24, 2018 4:18:09 GMT
Theresa May's husband specialises in helping companies pay as least tax as they can get away with. How patriotic, Philip.
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Post by bodger on May 24, 2018 7:27:12 GMT
Give people back their dignity and let them choose when to end their lives. Problem solved.
Why does our PC society always look at the negative side of issues like this and decide that any such arrangements may be abused by some sectors of society and as a result the vast remainder of our society is forced to suffer (literally) in silence? I could mention both my parents who lived well into their 90's and in their final years resented even waking up in the morning.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 7:33:04 GMT
The entire NHS could be run for a year on the wealth from the top 7 UK richest. It would take the average wealth of about half a million UK tax payers to do the same.
It’s obscene that any human being can be ‘worth’ that much really.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 7:58:14 GMT
Give people back their dignity and let them choose when to end their lives. Problem solved. Why does our PC society always look at the negative side of issues like this and decide that any such arrangements may be abused by some sectors of society and as a result the vast remainder of our society is forced to suffer (literally) in silence? I could mention both my parents who lived well into their 90's and in their final years resented even waking up in the morning. People living longer is a factor (and seems to be the standard ‘excuse’) but I suspect the failure to distribute wealth fairly is the bigger factor. Unfortunately our society has been programmed to feed our time and wealth away from the family. To give an example... In the past it was common for mum to be at home bringing the kids up and looking after Granny and Grandad. The kids and Grandparents would keep each other entertained. Dads single salary from an average paid job was enough on it’s own to cover a mortgage on an average house plus bills Nowadays, it’s normal for both parents to be at work and hence have to pay privately for childcare. Granny and Grandad sells the family home to pay for private care until they die. The house they sold may also well go to private investors. Just one example of how the extreme rich feed off the wealth of average families.
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Post by thebfg on May 24, 2018 19:56:59 GMT
It’s obscene that any human being can be ‘worth’ that much really. your right it's lot of money. but for those that built it up from nothing, fair play. I would presume some ofvthat wealth is based on property and their business which in theory could be worthless this time next year.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 24, 2018 20:06:23 GMT
There's an enormous amount of money wasted in the NHS. Giving an 80-year-old a double hip replacement is like putting four new tyres on a car to tow it down the scrapyard. The NHS wasted enormous amounts of money keeping my Dad alive when all he wanted to do was go to sleep. If they think they are going to do the same with me, i'm afraid they've got another think coming.
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Post by JohnV on May 24, 2018 20:14:51 GMT
There's an enormous amount of money wasted in the NHS. Giving an 80-year-old a double hip replacement is like putting four new tyres on a car to tow it down the scrapyard. The NHS wasted enormous amounts of money keeping my Dad alive when all he wanted to do was go to sleep. If they think they are going to do the same with me, i'm afraid they've got another think coming. <iframe width="24.180000000000064" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 24.180000000000064px; height: 3.5600000000000023px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_91756828" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.180000000000064" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 24.18px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1148px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_40204716" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.180000000000064" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 24.18px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 118px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_75707565" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.180000000000064" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 24.18px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1148px; top: 118px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_41857545" scrolling="no"></iframe> Not always ........ if my aunt had needed/been given a double hip replacement at 80 she would have still been getting around on them 26 years later. She kept her marbles, mobility and sense of fun until very near the end
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Post by peterboat on May 24, 2018 22:26:22 GMT
I agree with with you John but some people would happily just go to sleep long before they die
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Post by Telemachus on May 24, 2018 22:34:31 GMT
Give people back their dignity and let them choose when to end their lives. Problem solved. Why does our PC society always look at the negative side of issues like this and decide that any such arrangements may be abused by some sectors of society and as a result the vast remainder of our society is forced to suffer (literally) in silence? I could mention both my parents who lived well into their 90's and in their final years resented even waking up in the morning. People living longer is a factor (and seems to be the standard ‘excuse’) but I suspect the failure to distribute wealth fairly is the bigger factor. Unfortunately our society has been programmed to feed our time and wealth away from the family. To give an example... In the past it was common for mum to be at home bringing the kids up and looking after Granny and Grandad. The kids and Grandparents would keep each other entertained. Dads single salary from an average paid job was enough on it’s own to cover a mortgage on an average house plus bills Nowadays, it’s normal for both parents to be at work and hence have to pay privately for childcare. Granny and Grandad sells the family home to pay for private care until they die. The house they sold may also well go to private investors. Just one example of how the extreme rich feed off the wealth of average families. The extreme rich may feed a bit, but the majority of capital invested is from pension schemes such as my own, and the income thus generated is distributed to pensioners such as me. Of course there is a small element of the super-rich benefitting but if you want to eliminate them out of spite and envy, you risk hitting fairly ordinary pensioners such as me. No thanks!
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 24, 2018 22:47:29 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on May 25, 2018 7:38:27 GMT
Give people back their dignity and let them choose when to end their lives. Problem solved. Why does our PC society always look at the negative side of issues like this and decide that any such arrangements may be abused by some sectors of society and as a result the vast remainder of our society is forced to suffer (literally) in silence? I could mention both my parents who lived well into their 90's and in their final years resented even waking up in the morning. Nowadays, it’s normal for both parents to be at work Employers getting two for the price of one - the man has had repeated wage cuts but thinks, as his wife is working, he'll not complain too loudly in fear of losing his job, not really giving a toss as to his fellow unmarried male worker 'mates' who have also suffered a cut in salary or been dismissed and replaced by some cheapo Eastern Europeans. A bit like train drivers being on their own in the cabs these days, and many without even guards on their trains. As with bus drivers - now he's the ticket-seller/conductor as well as being the driver, and in my case the mechanic too on occasions!
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Post by naughtyfox on May 25, 2018 7:43:03 GMT
It’s obscene that any human being can be ‘worth’ that much really. but for those that built it up from nothing, fair play. As long as it was gained from reasonably honest and morally sound methods. There's nothing wrong with being rich or fabulously wealthy (apart from the fact that you're a **** for not giving it to those poor starving, homeless children around the world). In fact, if there were no incentive to make loads of money, people wouldn't bother (see Communist states for lack of enthusiasm) to invent things. The threat of being poor and thrown out into the street sharpens the mind!
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Post by naughtyfox on May 25, 2018 7:49:43 GMT
"if my aunt had needed/been given a double hip replacement at 80 she would have still been getting around on them 26 years later." Most people of 80 don't expect to be around much longer - certainly she didn't know she'd go another 26 years. It's like when you tell people smoking is bad for your health, causes lung cancer and lack of breath, there's ALWAYS someone, isn't there?, who had a relation who smoked liked a chimney and lived to a ripe old age, so that proves doctors know nothing. I'm almost 58. I shall be surprised to see another 22 years. I think 80 is the turning point, time to hang up the keys and start being naughty, throwing stones through peoples' windows and that kind of thing * * time to start attending IWA meetings!!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 9:38:50 GMT
People living longer is a factor (and seems to be the standard ‘excuse’) but I suspect the failure to distribute wealth fairly is the bigger factor. Unfortunately our society has been programmed to feed our time and wealth away from the family. To give an example... In the past it was common for mum to be at home bringing the kids up and looking after Granny and Grandad. The kids and Grandparents would keep each other entertained. Dads single salary from an average paid job was enough on it’s own to cover a mortgage on an average house plus bills Nowadays, it’s normal for both parents to be at work and hence have to pay privately for childcare. Granny and Grandad sells the family home to pay for private care until they die. The house they sold may also well go to private investors. Just one example of how the extreme rich feed off the wealth of average families. The extreme rich may feed a bit, but the majority of capital invested is from pension schemes such as my own, and the income thus generated is distributed to pensioners such as me. Of course there is a small element of the super-rich benefitting but if you want to eliminate them out of spite and envy, you risk hitting fairly ordinary pensioners such as me. No thanks! No spite or envy here Nick, maybe some pity. I learnt a long time ago how the love for money is poisoness and usually fucks peoples relationships and lives up. What I’m saying is how much money is used as a tool to control others. I have friends who are still hooked into working until 67 because they believe they can only be happy if they grab the last bit of money for their retirement. What they can’t see is what it’s doing to their health and well being. Having lost 3 friends recently under the age of 50, it just highlighted that for me Money is a virtual concept. The only thing which really matters in life is having quality time with people you get on with and quality time doing things you enjoy. Of course that can mean continuing with a job until you die! I’d never give up playing music for example (even though it pays bugger all) As you probably remember, I also believe we are all responsible being part of the ‘machine’. Our taxes are used to progress military action whether we agree with the morals or not. As you say, by expecting good returns on our investments we could well be benefiting from the misery of others
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