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Post by naughtyfox on May 30, 2018 17:14:59 GMT
Sorry kris, I couldn't resist!
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Post by kris on May 30, 2018 17:18:07 GMT
Sorry kris, I couldn't resist! it's alright no need to apologise, but maybe the forum should be renamed pedantics afloat would be more accurate than thunderboat
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Post by lollygagger on May 30, 2018 18:25:48 GMT
At about 11 minutes in on the video, there appears to be water discharging from the port side, near the bow. This needs a bump in case Tony missed it.
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Post by Trina on May 30, 2018 18:57:45 GMT
Living in the Midlands,we go to the Gloucester & Sharpness a lot for a jolly.Always hoped we wouldn't meet the Oliver Cromwell in the partings(you need to know the area to understand our feelings).It is actually quite sad to know it no longer exists.😯
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Post by kris on May 30, 2018 19:17:38 GMT
Living in the Midlands,we go to the Gloucester & Sharpness a lot for a jolly.Always hoped we wouldn't meet the Oliver Cromwell in the partings(you need to know the area to understand our feelings).It is actually quite sad to know it no longer exists.😯 It still exists just at the bottom of the sea.
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Post by bargemast on May 30, 2018 19:51:06 GMT
I have my doubts about the experience of the people involved, . . . . Peter. I think those doubts are well founded, Peter, and there are plenty of pointers to that in this video clip : Rarely have I seen a more inept display of tug work by supposed professionals, . . their lack of ability and/or experience with unwieldy tows in confined waters is all too apparent. They were in trouble with it from the moment they got underway from alongside the north-western wall of the dock. Far too much way on, and they didn't even bother to rig a temporary snotter for better control while they were still in the dock despite having no stern tug to hold the tow back and it showing a strong tendency to sheer off to starboard from before they rounded up and then whilst heading back down the dock to the river lock with the portside leg of the bridle slack. When the tow hit the corner of the low wall by the inner gates she was nigh on half her width out of alignment with the lock chamber wall on that side. That impact with the low wall (at 7.59 - 8.00 on the clip timer) was plenty hard enough to have holed or split the bow plating close to the waterline, so I would guess she was probably making some water from her own bow wave and every wave or bit of chop encountered from then on at an ever increasing rate until she had taken on enough water to put her further down by the head and the damage was constantly submerged. Much as I would enjoy pointing the finger of blame at my friend Mr Beacham and the work he carried out preparatory to the tow to Coleraine, I don't see how there can be much doubt that the sinking would probably have had it's beginnings in the tug company's attempt to move Sharpness Dock's river lock a bit closer to the South Wales coast. Thanks for the posting of that video Tony, and also what you wrote about the way this vessel was towed is an easy proof for the insurers that have surely seen this video too, that this wasn't a simple accident while towing.
After running into that rough stone corner at the lock entrance the tow stopped dead, with a shock like that I'm sure that it created a dent, crack, split ripped-out rivets etc, to let the water flow in freely.
It's incredible that they didn't investigate the possible (100% sure damage) before going any further, but like if nothing happened they continued, some people may be upset, but I call that plain stupid.
If divers (for the insurance ?) go down to have a look at the wreckage at the bottom of the Irish Sea, I would bet my last Euro (whoops, didn't realise I'd paid with that today, so haven't got it anymore), that they'll find some very nasty damage where the impact has been.
In the past cowboys would drive horses and cows long distances over land, why did they think they could do the same with this tow.
I listened several times to the part of the video where you can hear the sound of that beautiful engine in the tug , as I enjoyed that part most, seeing the rest made me feel sad.
Peter.
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Post by JohnV on May 30, 2018 21:04:07 GMT
At about 11 minutes in on the video, there appears to be water discharging from the port side, near the bow. I have spent quite a while going backwards and forwards over that bit of the tape ...... I don't think it is an overboard discharge ...... I think she has gone charging off to starboard like she did in the dock and has got a bow wave on her port quarter as the tug drags her back in line and the sunlight is reflecting off that
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Post by Trina on May 30, 2018 21:28:18 GMT
Living in the Midlands,we go to the Gloucester & Sharpness a lot for a jolly.Always hoped we wouldn't meet the Oliver Cromwell in the partings(you need to know the area to understand our feelings).It is actually quite sad to know it no longer exists.😯 It still exists just at the bottom of the sea. Where I still hope I will not be meeting it...,,🤤
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Post by JohnV on May 30, 2018 22:13:43 GMT
Living in the Midlands,we go to the Gloucester & Sharpness a lot for a jolly.Always hoped we wouldn't meet the Oliver Cromwell in the partings(you need to know the area to understand our feelings).It is actually quite sad to know it no longer exists.😯 It still exists just at the bottom of the sea.
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