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Post by Telemachus on May 28, 2018 20:26:24 GMT
... and boaters for whom a mooring simply isn’t available? Crush them?(and sell the boats). Maybe apolloduck should have a secondhand boater section. Worth selling them rather than crushing them I would have thought. It could be called "secondhand boater's" No I think crushed boaters carry quite a high value for farmers’ fertiliser. Uncrushed, they have to be fed and that’s expensive.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:28:03 GMT
I have not read the link in the OP as it is against my religion to read blogs but it appears to me, from my ivory tower, that if it did come to pass that living on boats in London was made significantly more expensive then it could have a knock-on effect on the value of second hand boats and perhaps this would be beneficial to the canals as a whole because there may be a shift from buying a cheap narrow boat to live on in London towards buying it a bit cheaper to actually do some boating on canals.
It could turn out quite interesting.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:30:18 GMT
PS apologies for the excessively long sentence.
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Post by kris on May 28, 2018 20:31:33 GMT
PS apologies for the excessively long sentence. i should think so. Who is going to buy all these boats that suddenly come up for sale cheap?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:34:16 GMT
I saw on another thread your discussion about where to cruise after Liverpool. Due to family issues, we've come to Leeds and will soon be returning back the same way (easy travel home and a simply stunning canal to boot). However there are issues with a number of locks and bridges, let alone water levels, which mean there is a concern whether or not we'll be able to travel unimpeded. In a similar vein, both the Rochdale and the HNC are very prone to unexpected and lengthy closures. If anyone becomes paranoid about boating, it has to be agreed they were pushed there don't you think? Rog ETA Good luck with bridge 32 Crabtree bridge......lost count of the recent closures but Mark (quaysider) may be able to help
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:34:43 GMT
Its a bit like the BTL problem. Houses at the lower end of the market are snapped up by parasites because the banks prefer to lend to them and get someone else to do the actual work and pay the mortgage. Similarly cheap boats are bought by people who simply want to live in high rent areas which has a similar effect as there is unnatural competition.
If BTL second home type shit was banned and continuously cruising was banned then blah blah blah blah blah
Why do I not think this will happen
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Post by kris on May 28, 2018 20:38:35 GMT
I don't know why do you not think it will happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:39:49 GMT
PS apologies for the excessively long sentence. i should think so. Who is going to buy all these boats that suddenly come up for sale cheap? It would be interesting to see how that would go. I don't really know what would happen. Might be worth opening a boat scrap yard.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:45:19 GMT
I don't know why do you not think it will happen. Sorry I was going off topic mentioning buy to let which is not a boating topic. I tend to agree with telemachus that it is unlikely that living on boats will cease to be an option. It may become more expensive but it is a generally recognised fact that housing / accommodation usually needs to be paid for so it would not surprise me if something happens but I don't think the cc-ing thing will be stopped or made illegal any time soon. I would expect some sort of breaking up of the canal system to happen before that and once that's done then its up to individual operators how to treat people living on boats.
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Post by Telemachus on May 28, 2018 20:48:36 GMT
I don't know why do you not think it will happen. I don’t know why you think it will happen. You have not offered any evidence. Generally it is reasonable to assume things will stay as they are unless there is a force for change. It’s called inertia.
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Post by Telemachus on May 28, 2018 20:58:45 GMT
Its a bit like the BTL problem. Houses at the lower end of the market are snapped up by parasites because the banks prefer to lend to them and get someone else to do the actual work and pay the mortgage. Similarly cheap boats are bought by people who simply want to live in high rent areas which has a similar effect as there is unnatural competition. If BTL second home type shit was banned and continuously cruising was banned then blah blah blah blah blah Why do I not think this will happen You are a little naive. BTL provides rented accommodation for the large number of people who don’t want to buy a property. I bought a BTL flat. My first tenant was a junior doctor. After working for a year in Aberdeen he got a promotion in another city. It would have been foolish, stressful and uneconomic for him to buy a property to live in for a year. He certainly didn’t want to do it. My second tenant worked in the oil industry on a 2 year contract in Aberdeen, although in the end he was moved abroad after a year. Ditto. My third tenant is a mature student from Finland. He is graduating this summer and going elsewhere. Ditto. i can accept that under some circumstances BTL can artificially inflate house prices. But equally, without BTL there would be far more homelessness since successive governments of all colours have failed to create sufficient new social housing. BTL landlords put their money into creating housing infrastructure when the government declines to do so.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 21:08:48 GMT
Its a bit like the BTL problem. Houses at the lower end of the market are snapped up by parasites because the banks prefer to lend to them and get someone else to do the actual work and pay the mortgage. Similarly cheap boats are bought by people who simply want to live in high rent areas which has a similar effect as there is unnatural competition. If BTL second home type shit was banned and continuously cruising was banned then blah blah blah blah blah Why do I not think this will happen You are a little naive. BTL provides rented accommodation for the large number of people who don’t want to buy a property. I bought a BTL flat. My first tenant was a junior doctor. After working for a year in Aberdeen he got a promotion in another city. It would have been foolish, stressful and uneconomic for him to buy a property to live in for a year. He certainly didn’t want to do it. My second tenant worked in the oil industry on a 2 year contract in Aberdeen, although in the end he was moved abroad after a year. Ditto. My third tenant is a mature student from Finland. He is graduating this summer and going elsewhere. Ditto. i can accept that under some circumstances BTL can artificially inflate house prices. But equally, without BTL there would be far more homelessness since successive governments of all colours have failed to create sufficient new social housing. BTL landlords put their money into creating housing infrastructure when the government declines to do so. Bollocks. Stop. Think. Housing or at least somewhere to go when it rains and gets cold is a basic requirement for a human being to survive due to the way humans have evolved - particularly in colder parts of the world. Its not something you can choose to either have or not have. Arguably it's not as important as food but it gets pretty close. I sometimes wonder why people with excessive wealth don't systematically empty all the supermarkets and sell the food for profit. maybe they are not allowed to ? As I said its never going to change. Turkeys voting for Christmas ?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 21:10:21 GMT
I must admit that those who have over stretched the 1995 act have created a risk to those who play by the spirit of the act. That will of course play even more into the hands of the divide and conquer brigade.
Meanwhile the state of the system gets worse and worse and our lives become more and more controlled. I’m sure that’s what we all want.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 21:16:37 GMT
I must admit that those who have over stretched the 1995 act have created a risk to those who play by the spirit of the act. That will of course play even more into the hands of the divide and conquer brigade. Meanwhile the state of the system gets worse and worse and our lives become more and more controlled. I’m sure that’s what we all want. Back on topic My pet theory is that particularly in London there has been a huge influx of squatters i.e. people who pushed the limits of acceptable behaviour by taking the piss while occupying empty residential dwellings. Strangely enough this was made illegal about 5 or 6 years ago and now we have problems on the cut and some mumblings and grumblings. Is this some sort of bizarre coincidence like a relative being born on your own birthday. I don't think so.
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Post by Telemachus on May 28, 2018 21:48:22 GMT
You are a little naive. BTL provides rented accommodation for the large number of people who don’t want to buy a property. I bought a BTL flat. My first tenant was a junior doctor. After working for a year in Aberdeen he got a promotion in another city. It would have been foolish, stressful and uneconomic for him to buy a property to live in for a year. He certainly didn’t want to do it. My second tenant worked in the oil industry on a 2 year contract in Aberdeen, although in the end he was moved abroad after a year. Ditto. My third tenant is a mature student from Finland. He is graduating this summer and going elsewhere. Ditto. i can accept that under some circumstances BTL can artificially inflate house prices. But equally, without BTL there would be far more homelessness since successive governments of all colours have failed to create sufficient new social housing. BTL landlords put their money into creating housing infrastructure when the government declines to do so. Bollocks. Stop. Think. Housing or at least somewhere to go when it rains and gets cold is a basic requirement for a human being to survive due to the way humans have evolved - particularly in colder parts of the world. Its not something you can choose to either have or not have. Arguably it's not as important as food but it gets pretty close. I sometimes wonder why people with excessive wealth don't systematically empty all the supermarkets and sell the food for profit. maybe they are not allowed to ? As I said its never going to change. Turkeys voting for Christmas ? Stop and think, with or without your testicles. Successive governments, democratically elected, have failed to build housing for people of no or low income. Into that vacuum have stepped private landlords. These landlords only put their cash into housing because the people’s governments fail to do so. Would it please your principles and self proclaimed moral high ground if private landlords didn’t exist and all those who currently live in such accommodation were out on the street sleeping in a doorway? I am sure they would praise you for it.
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