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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 11:31:52 GMT
It seems to me that ‘charities’ which use the word ‘charity’ to suck up funds from the hard working public and provide ‘creative accounting’ for certain organisations, undermine the efforts of real charities.
If’s high time the powers that be (and the charity commission ) clamped down on the definition of the word charity and stop re-defining it to suit. CRT clearly fall outside the ‘real’ definition.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 12:16:09 GMT
Ok, let’s look at the 3 definitions of the word ‘charity’ in the Oxford English Dictionary :
1) “An organization set up to provide help and raise money for those in need.” -What percentage of the general public who use the canal and river trusts resources could be considered ‘needy’ in the traditional (correct) sense of the word.
2) “The voluntary giving of help, typically in the form of money, to those in need.” - See above.
By the way, ‘needy’ is defined as “(of a person) lacking the necessities of life; very poor”. “(of a person) needing emotional support; insecure.”
3) “Kindness and tolerance in judging others.” - Where is that kindness and tolerance? Ok, well they still put up with me I suppose! ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 12:27:48 GMT
The Youth Hosteling Association is still a charity, an organisation that has moved far from the initial aims. Would you consider any charity that put most of it's efforts into helping UK nationals cope with Cancer more worthy than a charity that was providing life saving water to people in another country better or worse than the later?
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Post by peterboat on Jun 1, 2018 12:35:03 GMT
The Youth Hosteling Association is still a charity, an organisation that has moved far from the initial aims. Would you consider any charity that put most of it's efforts into helping UK nationals cope with Cancer more worthy than a charity that was providing life saving water to people in another country better or worse than the later? Smith my mate who works for the UN had to survey water pumps that had been put up in a certain country in Africa they were either windmill powered or solar powered, sadly a lot had disappeared either stolen or sold by the villages, he came to the conclusion their was no helping some people............................... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 12:39:46 GMT
The Youth Hosteling Association is still a charity, an organisation that has moved far from the initial aims. Would you consider any charity that put most of it's efforts into helping UK nationals cope with Cancer more worthy than a charity that was providing life saving water to people in another country better or worse than the later? Well I’m one who believes that if everyone looked out for those immediately around us, the world would be a better place for everyone. If you can’t help those around you, how can help those in another country. The suffering you see in most third world countries is normally due to a corrupt regime which is allowed to remain by people who don’t care. We need to educate these people...I mean the ones who could actually make a difference |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 13:10:02 GMT
My point wasn't really about foreign aid etc. It was to do with how do you assess whether an organisation should be considered a charity or not. There are nearly always people worse off than those you wish to help, does that mean you shouldn't help those you want to help; and get help (charity status) from the government for 'doing their job' (last bit only applies if you believe helping others less fortunate than most is part of the Gov's job)?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 14:42:15 GMT
My point wasn't really about foreign aid etc. It was to do with how do you assess whether an organisation should be considered a charity or not. There are nearly always people worse off than those you wish to help, does that mean you shouldn't help those you want to help; and get help (charity status) from the government for 'doing their job' (last bit only applies if you believe helping others less fortunate than most is part of the Gov's job)? ..and my point was about the misuse of the word ‘charity’ by those who don’t need any. That’s really all I was interested in. ‘Governments’ job should be to manage the country as fairly as possible. That should mean keeping ‘piss takers’ in check both sides of the spectrum. Unfortunately the weath divide tells another story. At the end of the day we are ALL responsible for the well being of others, so relying on any government (especially stealth dictorships!) is not the answer. I will say that one person’s ‘piss taker’ is another person’s friend. That’s where it gets tricky... |
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 1, 2018 21:16:56 GMT
[quote source="/post/120027/thread" timestamp="1527864135" author= Is there any who don't have their snout in the trough of corruption? What exactly do you ‘put into the system’ for the months upon months you come over here using our services??? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 21:21:56 GMT
[quote source="/post/120027/thread" timestamp="1527864135" author= Is there any who don't have their snout in the trough of corruption? What exactly do you ‘put into the system’ for the months upon months you come over here using our services??? Daily mail links (Eta just realised I might have got the wrong end of the stick I thought you were suggesting TB was a charity !) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 21:44:28 GMT
What exactly do you ‘put into the system’ for the months upon months you come over here using our services??? Eta just realised I might have got the wrong end of the stick I thought you were suggesting TB was a charity! Might as well be. Don’t we provide counselling services and provide an environment which helps sick people relax. ....you know...a bit like CRT are claiming to be doing! In fact, could we get a subsidy from the NHS as a result of providing that service? |
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 2, 2018 7:10:30 GMT
[quote source="/post/120027/thread" timestamp="1527864135" author= Is there any who don't have their snout in the trough of corruption? What exactly do you ‘put into the system’ for the months upon months you come over here using our services??? Same as you. Perhaps more, as we usually go for the 60-40 split on diesel. I pay tax so Brits can enjoy the same services in Finland/Europe as we can when we're in the UK. We pay tax on almost everything when we're in the UK for 14 weeks/year. VAT, tax on fuel, CRT licence fee which helps for the great new logo, airport tax. We also bring over our charm which brightens up the place. We haven't used the NHS on our trips (so far - and we have our own travel insurance anyway, which covers medical costs), we don't use the schools. We bring money over and spend it in Britain. I have been working in England 1976 - 1990 and paying tax on my earnings. What do you do for your country? |
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