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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 21:03:36 GMT
Sand wogs, proper belly laughed then..
Bring back Alf garnet
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 21:40:11 GMT
I really like gay men.
I wish there were more of them.
The more gay men there are about the less choice there is for women so it is technically more likely for a non-gay male to find a higher quality female. If all the good looking blokes were straight it would be a nightmare trying to reproduce with good looking women !!
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Post by patty on Jun 4, 2018 21:45:59 GMT
I really like gay men. I wish there were more of them. The more gay men there are about the less choice there is for women so it is technically more likely for a non-gay male to find a higher quality female. If all the good looking blokes were straight it would be a nightmare trying to reproduce with good looking women !! Thats a rather confused point of view... I like Gay men I like men who are not gay I do not like narrow minded bigoted self opinionated men.. If really does not matter to me how much I like non gay men I will never walk down the relationship road again... |
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Post by JohnV on Jun 4, 2018 21:50:23 GMT
It's not even really about gods. I have no opinion either way on gay marriage since I've never had any strong belief in marriage anyway, my viewpoint being that I don't need a licence from either the Church or the State to be somebody's friend. I have also been a lifelong atheist. However I do abhor the fact that something which has been a tradition for thousands of years can be overturned by somebody who was born in 1978 simply because he or she thinks the world began on the day that they were born, and is sufficiently vocal about a self-centred monomania. If the baker in question didn't feel comfortable in making the cake which the gay couple required, wouldn't life just have been simpler if they found a baker who was, rather than fattening the bank accounts of lawyers to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars? Yes life would have been much simpler if they had moved on to a less bigoted and hateful baker. But then sometimes, one has to stand up to bigotry and hatred and tackle it head on. Bear in mind that homosexuality was illegal in my lifetime, an emprisonable offence. And in some countries it still, in 2018, carries the death penalty. So the war is a long one and it is not yet fully won. It is interesting you calling the baker a bigot ....... what you seem to fail to grasp is that forcing the baker to ignore his belief is being a bigot as well |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 21:54:21 GMT
Yes life would have been much simpler if they had moved on to a less bigoted and hateful baker. But then sometimes, one has to stand up to bigotry and hatred and tackle it head on. Bear in mind that homosexuality was illegal in my lifetime, an emprisonable offence. And in some countries it still, in 2018, carries the death penalty. So the war is a long one and it is not yet fully won. It is interesting you calling the baker a bigot ....... what you seem to fail to grasp is that by forcing the baker to ignore his belief is being a bigot as well Exactly. |
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 4, 2018 21:54:27 GMT
But this is the point: no you can’t (refuse to deal with things not to your liking if they are discriminatory in certain areas) if you want to be in business. What you think or do in your own private world is entirely up to you. How you behave to customers who have some difference from you, eg their sexual orientation, is determined by law. It is illegal to discriminate on various grounds including sexual orientation. In this country of course. The case you gleefully refer to is of course in the USA. If you’d like to be part of their culture of shooting schoolchildren, mostly being religious nutters and using their imaginary god to justify their irrational hate, then I suggest you fuck off to the USA. I can, I do, and I will. Stabby has actually addressed it adequately above, so no need for me to repeat it. I don't like what Israel is doing on the west bank, that does not make me anti Jewish. If I didn't want you on my premises because I do not hold the same beliefs as yourself, you wouldn't fuckin get in, end of. I don't need to use an excuse, I am entitled to my own choices. I don't wish to be part of your world, I don't wish to participate, and that is my choice to make. The difference is, I accept it if someone says they do not want me in their space, for instance, a gay hotel in Brighton where i was refused entry because I am straight. Fair enough, no problem. You need to learn the world has variety, and it does not revolve around you. When you say “on your premises” if you mean your house or boat then that’s fine. But if you mean on your business premises and you propose to refuse entry on grounds of sexual preference, then that is a crime for which hopefully you would be prosecuted and sent to prison. Then you might find your business premises was no longer yours. i have never heard of a gay hotel where straights are not allowed. I suspect you are making it up but if not, you will have been refused entry because you were an obnoxious cunt, not because you were straight. It is not unlawful to discriminate against people on the grounds that they are obnoxious cunts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 21:55:51 GMT
I really like gay men. I wish there were more of them. The more gay men there are about the less choice there is for women so it is technically more likely for a non-gay male to find a higher quality female. If all the good looking blokes were straight it would be a nightmare trying to reproduce with good looking women !! Thats a rather confused point of view... I like Gay men I like men who are not gay I do not like narrow minded bigoted self opinionated men.. If really does not matter to me how much I like non gay men I will never walk down the relationship road again... I was just doing a logical comment about the logistics of male-female relationships and reproduction. Probably a bit too anorakish. Your last sentence sounds very similar to my late mother. She was married for 18 years to my father who went off with a younger woman and forced my mother to divorce him. For her this was an unsurvivably negative outcome. She never got anywhere near another man for the rest of her life. |
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 4, 2018 21:58:58 GMT
Yes life would have been much simpler if they had moved on to a less bigoted and hateful baker. But then sometimes, one has to stand up to bigotry and hatred and tackle it head on. Bear in mind that homosexuality was illegal in my lifetime, an emprisonable offence. And in some countries it still, in 2018, carries the death penalty. So the war is a long one and it is not yet fully won. It is interesting you calling the baker a bigot ....... what you seem to fail to grasp is that forcing the baker to ignore his belief is being a bigot as well I am not forcing the baker to ignore his beliefs. He can believe what he likes. What he can’t do is act on those beliefs in an unlawful way. If you pause to think about it, what falls out of your point is that anyone can hold any beliefs they like and should be allowed to exercise them. For example, people who think that god invented babies so they could have sex with them. Or people who believe that other people’s money in fact belongs to them. People who quite like seeing the exposed entrails of still-living people etc. I could go on! Having a random belief is not an excuse to do what you like. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 4, 2018 21:59:13 GMT
I like all gay men except ones who wear kilts. Oh, and ginger ones.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 22:00:10 GMT
it is not unlawful to discriminate against people on the grounds that they are obnoxious cunts. I'm going to have to write to my MP about this. If I can figure out who it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 22:02:42 GMT
I can, I do, and I will. Stabby has actually addressed it adequately above, so no need for me to repeat it. I don't like what Israel is doing on the west bank, that does not make me anti Jewish. If I didn't want you on my premises because I do not hold the same beliefs as yourself, you wouldn't fuckin get in, end of. I don't need to use an excuse, I am entitled to my own choices. I don't wish to be part of your world, I don't wish to participate, and that is my choice to make. The difference is, I accept it if someone says they do not want me in their space, for instance, a gay hotel in Brighton where i was refused entry because I am straight. Fair enough, no problem. You need to learn the world has variety, and it does not revolve around you. When you say “on your premises” if you mean your house or boat then that’s fine. But if you mean on your business presmises and you propose to refuse entry on grounds of sexual preference, then that is a crime for which hopefully you would be prosecuted and sent to prison. Then you might find your business premises was no longer yours. i have never heard of a gay hotel where straights are not allowed. I suspect you are making it up but if not, you will have been refused entry because you were an obnoxious cunt, not because you were straight. It is not unlawful to discriminate against people on the grounds that they are obnoxious cunts. I wouldn't have to state I was not letting you in because of your sexuality. Even though I was in that mind. I don't need to make it up, it happened. The thing is, I accepted it, because I believe in "each to their own". Unlike you, and many gay men, i don't attention seek or seek selfish behaviour. It's now clear that your losing. Your having to use unnecessary language. |
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Post by JohnV on Jun 4, 2018 22:06:11 GMT
It is interesting you calling the baker a bigot ....... what you seem to fail to grasp is that forcing the baker to ignore his belief is being a bigot as well I am not forcing the baker to ignore his beliefs. He can believe what he likes. What he can’t do is act on those beliefs in an unlawful way. If you pause to think about it, what falls out of your point is that anyone can hold any beliefs they like and should be allowed to exercise them. For example, people who think that god invented babies so they could have sex with them. Or people who believe that other people’s money in fact belongs to them. People who quite like seeing the exposed entrails of still-living people etc. I could go on! Having a random belief is not an excuse to do what you like. what falls out of your point is the fact the baker was not doing anything to stop the complainant from having his cake ...... he could have gone to any number of other bakers. If the baker had been the only firm able to provide such a cake then you might have had an argument but there are hundreds of bakers that supply that service ..... even some of the big supermarkets do. In my book the bigot was the bloke complaining ...... load of bollux |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 4, 2018 22:07:40 GMT
It is interesting you calling the baker a bigot ....... what you seem to fail to grasp is that forcing the baker to ignore his belief is being a bigot as well I am not forcing the baker to ignore his beliefs. He can believe what he likes. What he can’t do is act on those beliefs in an unlawful way. But without knowing the specification of the cake in question you cannot possibly say if he was acting unlawfully, and I will remind you that the Supreme Court found in his favour. As I said earlier, some lorry trailers are liveried with paid advertising. I would refuse to have a logo on my trailer which said "Support gay sex", but then I would refuse to have a logo on my trailer which said "Support straight sex" either. So where's the bigotry or hatred? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 22:13:49 GMT
I would refuse to have a logo on my trailer which said "Support gay sex", but then I would refuse to have a logo on my trailer which said "Support straight sex" either. No Read it again. There is an error there. Duck knows what it is but there is definitely one in there ! I would suggest replacing the last word with " as well" or putting "also" before refuse. |
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 4, 2018 22:14:55 GMT
I am not forcing the baker to ignore his beliefs. He can believe what he likes. What he can’t do is act on those beliefs in an unlawful way. But without knowing the specification of the cake in question you cannot possibly say if he was acting unlawfully, and I will remind you that the Supreme Court found in his favour. As I said earlier, some lorry trailers are liveried with paid advertising. I would refuse to have a logo on my trailer which said "Support gay sex", but then I would refuse to have a logo on my trailer which said "Support straight sex" either. So where's the bigotry or hatred? When I say unlawful, I mean in this country. The USA has its own and different laws on which I’m not an expert. Clearly the point is on the cusp of their law as they were at first found guilty, then innocent by a higher court. You will recall a few cases in this country where in every case, the discriminating person has been found guilty. The one that lingered a bit was the B&B because they claimed it was their own home and claimed they wouldn’t allow unmarried couples to share a bed, gay or straight, but in the end they were found guilty of unlawful discrimination. Refusing to have the stickers you mention on your lorry isn’t an offence because you are not discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation. I wouldn’t have such stickers either. |
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