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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 22:09:43 GMT
Ha! Finally got to shove, with some force I might add, a transparent plastic pipe down the dipstick tube and sucked up 1.2 litres of engine oil (max = 1.6 litres)! It's like being in Texas with all that black gold gushing up! What did you use, did you buy it from the ebay, been looking at sum sump pumps but unsure if they are any good? I've had one of these for years. www.amazon.co.uk/Sealey-Manual-Vacuum-Fluid-Extractor/dp/B000RA16COIt will have shifted a fair bit of oil by now! Loads of cheaper ones available now, whether they will be as good as the Sealey has been I wouldn't like to say. A 6.5l one has the advantage of not needing emptying mid change on your average sized boat engine. Drawback is storing it when not in use.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 22:12:45 GMT
What did you use, did you buy it from the ebay, been looking at sum sump pumps but unsure if they are any good? It's just some cheap brass-coloured Made in Korea hand pump from a car parts shop in Finland, I bet you can find the same anywhere. The transparent plastic pipe must have folded over on itself in the same place a few tines and developed holes - so then only air got sucked up. It's quite a pull on the handle that's needed. I bought exactly the same pump from another store. But the pipe wall is thicker and the pipe less flexible. Could not get it to go down the dipstick hole. It's a stupid way to get the oil out, but that's what the owner's manual dictates, and is what Bukh say to do. The people who renovated the engine sent us a length of transparent plastic pipe, got it last week. It's 8mm wide. 7.5 would be better. Only because I had dry hands and the pipe wasn't oily could I get to shove it with force down the dipstick tube. On the contrary, it's a great clean way of getting the oil out. Most boat engines and gearboxes are impossible to get at the sump/drain plug, even more difficult to get a drain pan below the inaccessible plug. I don't often pull the plug on an engine these days, there is simply no need with a decent extractor.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 13, 2018 6:40:36 GMT
On Sabina's engine there is a pump and valve built on to the side of the engine, valve one way = engine oil. other way = gearbox oil.
a couple of feet of 1" pipe and you can pump it straight into a 20 litre container ....... well thought out engine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 6:49:19 GMT
Slimy Koreans
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Post by bargemast on Jun 13, 2018 6:54:27 GMT
It's just some cheap brass-coloured Made in Korea hand pump from a car parts shop in Finland, I bet you can find the same anywhere. The transparent plastic pipe must have folded over on itself in the same place a few tines and developed holes - so then only air got sucked up. It's quite a pull on the handle that's needed. I bought exactly the same pump from another store. But the pipe wall is thicker and the pipe less flexible. Could not get it to go down the dipstick hole. It's a stupid way to get the oil out, but that's what the owner's manual dictates, and is what Bukh say to do. The people who renovated the engine sent us a length of transparent plastic pipe, got it last week. It's 8mm wide. 7.5 would be better. Only because I had dry hands and the pipe wasn't oily could I get to shove it with force down the dipstick tube. On the contrary, it's a great clean way of getting the oil out. Most boat engines and gearboxes are impossible to get at the sump/drain plug, even more difficult to get a drain pan below the inaccessible plug. I don't often pull the plug on an engine these days, there is simply no need with a decent extractor. I agree, they are very practical, there's only one thing you can't do when doing oil changes this way, and that is checking for stuff that got onto the magnetic drain plug (if the drain plug has a magnetic bit on it), to possibly have warning signals if something is on it's way out, and can maybe still be exchanged/repaired before it's too late, and then require a lot more money spending to get the engine in a healthy condition again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 7:07:58 GMT
Glueing the plug in seems rather a dodgy solution to the stripped thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 7:10:40 GMT
My Beta 90 (2011) has a brass sump pump added as part of the marinisation.
My Perkins P4 (~1960s) has an original sump pump mounted to the engine very good it is too.
My Kubota twin (~1980s) has neither so I will try using the oil extractor "ball" that a neighbour gave me. It a football sized tank with a pump on it and a length of thin transparent pvc hose. I suppose the little Kubota is coming up for a change as I have put over 100 hours on the yot engine since buying it - oil looked to be new so I think it was changed just before I got the boat.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 13, 2018 7:21:38 GMT
My Beta 90 (2011) has a brass sump pump added as part of the marinisation. My Perkins P4 (~1960s) has an original sump pump mounted to the engine very good it is too. My Kubota twin (~1980s) has neither so I will try using the oil extractor "ball" that a neighbour gave me. It a football sized tank with a pump on it and a length of thin transparent pvc hose. I suppose the little Kubota is coming up for a change as I have put over 100 hours on the yot engine since buying it - oil looked to be new so I think it was changed just before I got the boat. Maybe foxy can give you his (almost) brand new oil that he changes before it even has had the chance to reach it's working temperature .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 7:25:46 GMT
I could use it in my Lister LPW3 generator set. The little Kubota 200cc unit in the 12v generator probably wants to have brand new oil but the lister and the Perkins would be happy with Foxy's waste.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 13, 2018 9:14:35 GMT
It's just some cheap brass-coloured Made in Korea hand pump from a car parts shop in Finland, I bet you can find the same anywhere. The transparent plastic pipe must have folded over on itself in the same place a few tines and developed holes - so then only air got sucked up. It's quite a pull on the handle that's needed. I bought exactly the same pump from another store. But the pipe wall is thicker and the pipe less flexible. Could not get it to go down the dipstick hole. It's a stupid way to get the oil out, but that's what the owner's manual dictates, and is what Bukh say to do. The people who renovated the engine sent us a length of transparent plastic pipe, got it last week. It's 8mm wide. 7.5 would be better. Only because I had dry hands and the pipe wasn't oily could I get to shove it with force down the dipstick tube. Most boat engines and gearboxes are impossible to get at the sump/drain plug, even more difficult to get a drain pan below the inaccessible plug. I can get a drain pan under my gearbox, what I can't do is then get it out without tipping it sideways, which sort of defeats the object, so what I do is to use an old Chinese take-away container, then pop the lid on before lifting it out sideways.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 9:48:08 GMT
But then the heavy sludge ends up lurking down at the bottom, around the sump plug? We can get at our sump plug easily and that's the way we changed the oil the first two times (into a plastic tray placed beneath the sump - loads of room); the second time, although I was careful, the nut thread was 'gone' and the engine renovators glued it closed and said not to touch it. I think it's steel nut + aluminium sump pan = another daft idea. Got any 7.5mm transparent pipe, Gazza? You will never get any sludge in yours - you change the oil so frequently it's not an issue. The only pipe I have here is 6mm, 1/4" and 8mm OD
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 10:40:37 GMT
A long as you have the instruction Bukh and follow it you are unlikely to get much trouble from such a well designed unit.
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Post by Jim on Jun 13, 2018 12:47:14 GMT
Just seen a careless naughty fox, in the tail of lock 35, Rochdale Canal.
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Post by thebfg on Jun 13, 2018 19:53:08 GMT
hang on! why is witchy looking for a wedding dress?
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Post by Jim on Jun 13, 2018 20:06:42 GMT
hang on! why is witchy looking for a wedding dress? I wondered that too. We need fact and pics. Will it be in The Daily Mail?
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