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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 15:50:48 GMT
Been out for a meal at the half reasonable local Miller and Carter steakhouse. Provision has been made for charging two EV - this outside a decent sized Holiday Inn and busy restaurant. What caught my eye was the £10 an hour overstay charge if you exceed 90 minutes - done in the name of consideration for other users. Ive said before the infrastructure isn't there and unlikely to ever be fully useful to all motorist's - this sort of confirms I'm right. Why pay more to install the required number of charging points when you can get away with installing a couple and rinse your customers at the same time.
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Post by peterboat on Sept 2, 2018 16:03:50 GMT
Untracharge are a separate company and want as much revenue as possible from that point it is a big investment after all
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 16:14:12 GMT
I was talking to a bloke in Switzerland* the other day (husband of one of my woman's friends) who has recently bought a Renault Zoe. All electric. Nice enough car not quite the Audi S5 he had previously but anyway.
He put the car on a charger (unlimited time at a unit beside his workplace). Anyway the car was registered to his wife. someone called the police to say their car battery was flat and someone was hogging the charging point. So his wife gets a call from the rozzers she has to call him then he has to leave a meeting to move the fekkin car because some dickhead is running on empty.
Its a very real problem and a cause of conflict. Infrastructure has to be ahead of vehicle production or major problems will occur.
Slightly different topic but I was thinking about driverless cars. Obviously the move to electric is mainly about making cars autonomous as a profit oriented end goal. Nothing to do with the planet its all about the money and the human drive to make themselves obselete.
However they (autonomous cars) can't work when human drivers are about because humans will take advantage knowing the autonomous car has no choice but to give way and in the case of motorways presumably keep a stopping distance so people keep pulling in front and the autonomous vehicle ends up going to the back of a line of traffic. Its fundamentally impossible to integrate them with human drivers.
OK so you could have driverless cars only lanes but mixing ain't going to work.
*to be fair Switzerland is a Nazi shithouse.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 2, 2018 16:22:38 GMT
Slightly different but I was thinking about driverless cars. They can't work when human drivers are about because humans will take advantage knowing the autonomous car has no choice but to give way and in the case of motorways presumably keep a stopping distance so people keep pulling in front and the autonomous vehicle ends up going to the back of a line of traffic. Its fundamentally impossible to integrate them with human drivers. OK so you could have driverless cars only lanes but mixing ain't going to work. I can't help feeling that Google, Tesla, Bosch, Volvo, Scania, Mercedes-Benz etc aren't spending billions and billions of pounds developing the technology just to give their staff something to do on quiet Tuesday afternoons.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 16:27:26 GMT
Of course they aren't.
Driverless (less as in less not without) will come in soon but for true autonomous vehicles to work laws will need to be changed to ban humans from driving on certain roads and anywhere there is a human driving there will never be a fully autonomous vehicle. Its impossible.
You could pull out in front of it in a very dangerous way knowing that it will have to stop. That would make the roads ridiculously dangerous.
Of course once humans are banned then autonomous vehicles don't need charging infrastructure because they do the delivery then return to a base station (chernobyl) where they can charge up. No need for widely distributed charging points.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 2, 2018 16:47:08 GMT
Of course they aren't. Driverless (less as in less not without) will come in soon but for true autonomous vehicles to work laws will need to be changed to ban humans from driving on certain roads and anywhere there is a human driving there will never be a fully autonomous vehicle. Its impossible. You could pull out in front of it in a very dangerous way knowing that it will have to stop. That would make the roads ridiculously dangerous. Of course once humans are banned then autonomous vehicles don't need charging infrastructure because they do the delivery then return to a base station (chernobyl) where they can charge up. No need for widely distributed charging points. As with mobile phones, the first use of autonomous vehicles will be in HGVs, primarily those used for depot to depot trunking by large operators (Stobart, DHL etc). After diesel, the driver's wage is the second greatest expense of running a truck, and autonomous trucks will be able to run 24 hours a day with replacement battery packs changed on arrival at the end destination. The vehicles themselves would also be hugely cheaper to build,being just a driveline with a plastic cover over it to keep out the rain, and no need for an air-sprung seat, heater, bed, windscreen wipers, radio/cd player, fridge, carpets, headlining, dashboard display, electric windows etc etc etc. Believe me, it's coming. I'm 59 this month and it won't happen in my working lifetime, or even my lifetime, but it will in yours.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 16:56:29 GMT
It will happen because of the money but there will have to be a lot of legal changes to how roads are used possibly including camera equipped vehicles having some sort of police powers or something. OK on motorways without lane changes etc but how do you integrate with the humans? Eta I'm only 15 years younger than you you might out live me
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Post by pearley on Sept 2, 2018 19:29:15 GMT
Out of interest to others, there is a charging point outside the CRT offices at Red Bull. On our way down and back never saw it used.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 19:32:06 GMT
Out of interest to others, there is a charging point outside the CRT offices at Red Bull. On our way down and back never saw it used. I parked next to the EV charging point, safe in the knowledge it was highly unlikely to be used meaning loads more space to open the dwarfs door and reduced risk of some Berk clanging their door into the side of my car
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 19:35:18 GMT
Do you mean for electric boats or cars?
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Post by pearley on Sept 2, 2018 19:51:52 GMT
I guess if you had the right connector and didnt mind occupying the lock landing then a boat could use it.
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Post by JohnV on Sept 2, 2018 20:08:52 GMT
I guess if you had the right connector and didnt mind occupying the lock landing then a boat could use it. Ooooooooh !!! I like that idea !!! extra long extension leads coming up
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 20:32:58 GMT
As with mobile phones, the first use of autonomous vehicles will be in HGVs I never knew that mobile phones were first used in HGVs. Was the a prostitute thing ?
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Post by peterboat on Sept 3, 2018 8:27:49 GMT
Anybody watch the news this morning? a load of streets have banned diesels and petrol cars from using them electric cars only, can you see which way the wind is blowing? because if you cant you will have a surprise fine very shortly
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Post by duncan on Sept 3, 2018 9:34:34 GMT
Of course they aren't. Driverless (less as in less not without) will come in soon but for true autonomous vehicles to work laws will need to be changed to ban humans from driving on certain roads and anywhere there is a human driving there will never be a fully autonomous vehicle. Its impossible. You could pull out in front of it in a very dangerous way knowing that it will have to stop. That would make the roads ridiculously dangerous. Of course once humans are banned then autonomous vehicles don't need charging infrastructure because they do the delivery then return to a base station (chernobyl) where they can charge up. No need for widely distributed charging points. As with mobile phones, the first use of autonomous vehicles will be in HGVs, primarily those used for depot to depot trunking by large operators (Stobart, DHL etc). After diesel, the driver's wage is the second greatest expense of running a truck, and autonomous trucks will be able to run 24 hours a day with replacement battery packs changed on arrival at the end destination. The vehicles themselves would also be hugely cheaper to build,being just a driveline with a plastic cover over it to keep out the rain, and no need for an air-sprung seat, heater, bed, windscreen wipers, radio/cd player, fridge, carpets, headlining, dashboard display, electric windows etc etc etc. Believe me, it's coming. I'm 59 this month and it won't happen in my working lifetime, or even my lifetime, but it will in yours. My first though was that I am glad that I won't see it either, given the track record of autonomous vehicles. But then I started thinking about how many crashes humans have daily, in HGVs and cars. I am sure autonomous vehicles are doing thousands of miles testing, but it is the crashes that hit the headlines. AVs won't suffer from tiredness, alcohol, drugs etc
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