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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 21:08:57 GMT
Just really a thread to encourage those with any influence to get your organisation or marina to commit to getting an AED.
The previous owner of my boat had his life saved by one (White Mills Marina doesn't have one but Blackthorne Marina does - White Mills is modern, whilst Blackthorne is a (how shall I put this...) more traditional boatyard.
I used to work as Control Room manager for Heathrow Express, on average we would see about 52 heart attacks a year and despite having first aid trained staff readily available survival rates were very low, after the introduction of AEDs to all stations survival rates jumped up to nearly 80% (the slightly abnormal results were put down to the fact that many of the casualties were young).
AEDs are real life savers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 21:17:44 GMT
We are giving our lot a hard time, a couple more meetings should hopefully get them to sort the job.
Being down a remote unsignposted track with no postcode, shite phone signal and behind a locked gate should make it a no brainier, that and the high average age of the membership (not that anyone under 50 is immune...!) means it should be a forgone conclusion rather than a topic for debate.
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Post by patty on Nov 6, 2018 6:45:08 GMT
I had several training sessions though in reality they can be used without..when they first appeared there was on in a local hotel in Uppingham....guy collapsed in the churchyard but bystanders attempted CPR without getting it as they didn't want to bother the hotel.
One of my old friends travelled around with one in the boot of his car as he was terrified he'd die of a heart attack....unfortunately he did in a hotel room...the device still in the boot of his car.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 6, 2018 8:17:14 GMT
By the time you've phoned someone to ask for the code to open the box, finally got it open and spent 10 minutes reading the instructions, the heart-attack victim is snuffit. (Is it right to call them a 'victim' if they've been stuffing pie & chips into their mouths all their lives?)
Every time I've participated in a First Aid course the number of breaths to the number of thumpings you're supposed to give keeps changing. Last I heard was 2 breaths to 2 pushes. Unless you've had experience and/or a lot of practice with this sort of CPR (Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation), do you really reckon you can even remember where you're supposed to push? Are you allowed to push so hard you can break their ribs or not? Don't forget to pinch their nose whilst breathing into their mouth, or the air will just escape! Don't forget first to fish around in their vomit for any false teeth!
And what to do if it's a woman and you've removed her shirt, she regains consciousness and accuses you of attempted rape?
Look away if you're scared of Skellingtons!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 8:55:12 GMT
By the time you've phoned someone to ask for the code to open the box, finally got it open and spent 10 minutes reading the instructions, the heart-attack victim is snuffit. (Is it right to call them a 'victim' if they've been stuffing pie & chips into their mouths all their lives?) Every time I've participated in a First Aid course the number of breaths to the number of thumpings you're supposed to give keeps changing. Last I heard was 2 breaths to 2 pushes. Unless you've had experience and/or a lot of practice with this sort of CPR (Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation), do you really reckon you can even remember where you're supposed to push? Are you allowed to push so hard you can break their ribs or not? Don't forget to pinch their nose whilst breathing into their mouth, or the air will just escape! Don't forget first to fish around in their vomit for any false teeth! And what to do if it's a woman and you've removed her shirt, she regains consciousness and accuses you of attempted rape? Look away if you're scared of Skellingtons! I take it you failed the course then? A reminder for you:- 30:2 100-120BPM repeat till they revive, help comes or you're too tired to carry on It's the same training for a squadie as a civi The non rescue breaths CPR is better than nothing but has even slimmer chance of success. AEDs as AI Version 3.142 says are an incredible advance in life saving first aid. They can be used by non trained people, they work on young and old. Read more: thunderboat.boards.net/thread/4206/anybody-kind-boat?page=2#ixzz5W3vwigtUThe rescue breaths are dropped for non trained first aiders hence Vinnie Jones and Staying Alive campaign. The only exceptions are kids and drowning where you give 5 initial rescue breaths before you start chest compressions. As for position, draw an imaginary line across the nipples and then a line down the centre of the chest to the bottom of the breast bone. Push chest down 5-6 CM as above. I'm sure someone would be glad to survive even if their clothing is a bit disheveled and you've had to get up close and personal. Bone up here. www.sja.org.uk/sja/first-aid-advice/first-aid-techniques/resuscitation-cpr.aspx |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 9:00:37 GMT
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Post by quaysider on Nov 6, 2018 10:31:50 GMT
 We carry our own - admittedly in the Crew toilet but if your heart's stopped, I doubt you'd be fussy! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 16:45:27 GMT
The new automated ones tell you what to do and when to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 17:33:53 GMT
The new automated ones tell you what to do and when to do it. Rog They are great bits of kit. I reckon Foxy would manage it if he let it talk long enough š |
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 6, 2018 17:38:31 GMT
By the time you've phoned someone to ask for the code to open the box, finally got it open and spent 10 minutes reading the instructions, the heart-attack victim is snuffit. (Is it right to call them a 'victim' if they've been stuffing pie & chips into their mouths all their lives?) Every time I've participated in a First Aid course the number of breaths to the number of thumpings you're supposed to give keeps changing. Last I heard was 2 breaths to 2 pushes. Unless you've had experience and/or a lot of practice with this sort of CPR (Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation), do you really reckon you can even remember where you're supposed to push? Are you allowed to push so hard you can break their ribs or not? Don't forget to pinch their nose whilst breathing into their mouth, or the air will just escape! Don't forget first to fish around in their vomit for any false teeth! And what to do if it's a woman and you've removed her shirt, she regains consciousness and accuses you of attempted rape? Look away if you're scared of Skellingtons! I take it you failed the course then? You can't ever fail such a course, certificates get handed out automatically. Otherwise it would make the course provider (a business, usually) look bad.
The only exceptions are kids and drowning where you give 5 initial rescue breaths before you start chest compressions. What makes me laugh is all those scenes on TV and movies where someone just starts breathing into the patient, without first turning them over and getting all the water out of their lungs (in the case of drownings)(from which heart stoppage may well be a consequence).
There's a defib box on the corner of the Rochdale Canal and the high street in Sowerby Bridge but the box is locked with a punch-code to open it. How long does it take to phone and ask for the code...
Anyway, as I still claim, all good in theory - just how will it work out when seconds count in a real situation? Frightening stuff, for if the patient doesn't recover after all your efforts, you will never know was it because you didn't do things quite as you should have, or was it 'on their cards' anyway. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 6, 2018 17:41:19 GMT
The new automated ones tell you what to do and when to do it. Perhaps they should be an obligatory item for the BSS, as boats are often out in the sticks and the emergency services haven't a clue as to bridge or lock numbers. Perhaps Pearson's Guides should be obligatory in all emergency services call centres? That is, they'd help when OAPs aren't phoning them for a chat: "My pasty's f****** fell on the floor you stupid c***sā: Pensioner, 90, made hundreds of abusive 999 calls demanding lifts to the BINGO Lena Taylor, from Wallsend in North Tyneside, told them 'hurry up I'm starving' During one abusive call she told them to 'Stop f****** messing around with' her Lena Taylor told operators to send paramedics numerous times, shouting 'bring me a cup of tea and a pasty. Hurry up I'm starving'. During one call, the pensioner from Wallsend in North Tyneside said: 'My pasty's f****** fell on the floor you stupid c***s, get the ambulance out now.' www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6349737/Pensioner-90-hundreds-abusive-999-calls-demanding-lifts-BINGO.html |
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Post by duncan on Nov 6, 2018 18:03:41 GMT
We carry our own - admittedly in the Crew toilet but if your heart's stopped, I doubt you'd be fussy! What make and model is that one Mark? |
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 6, 2018 18:13:21 GMT
By the way, within the EU, bus drivers and lorry/truck drivers have to take 5 days off work during each 5-year period (first starting 2013-2018 for bus drivers, 2014-2019 for truck drivers) for 'reminder courses', one of which is First Aid. A reminder once every 5 years about CPR - is this enough??!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 18:17:21 GMT
Foxy has gone on one! I'll skim the chaff and get to the wheat. You'd feel shit, it's something you train for - failure. Remember 1% success without an AED. HOPE FOR THE BEST, PREPARE FOR THE WORST. I'd love to get involved with St John outside of first aid qualification for work, sadly I don't have the time to commit to them. They and organisations like them ensure events up and down the land can go ahead with adequate first aid provision. It's not a box ticking exercise, and shame on naughtyfox for suggesting so šæ We couldn't run any motocross or Enduro events without St John being present, they would administer first aid on the scene and transfer more severely injured causalities to the NHS paramedics. Without them our events couldn't run, just like village fetes, canal cavalcades, sporting events you name it a volunteer first aider will be involved. |
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Post by quaysider on Nov 6, 2018 18:24:41 GMT
We carry our own - admittedly in the Crew toilet but if your heart's stopped, I doubt you'd be fussy! What make and model is that one Mark? It's Welch Allyn and talks you through what to do... only thing I had to "add" was a razer to ensure contact of the pads on hairy men... or women I suppose.n HOPE to god we never have to use it but given our demographic, it's a possibility I suppose. |
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