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Post by bargemast on Nov 28, 2018 9:36:24 GMT
You can't be careful enough, the same manoeuvres may have gone well for many years, but 1 day this can happen Peter. |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 28, 2018 10:06:32 GMT
Not a nice day for the poor sods on the tug, Peter.
As you say, rounding-up just how they'd probably done times without number before, but on that particular day perhaps a combination of bit too much way on and maybe the tow/bridle a bit too short and things can get out of hand and past the point of no return alarmingly quickly. Hope everyone got out of the tug OK.
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Post by kris on Nov 28, 2018 10:06:44 GMT
Wow, that was a bad day. It's a pity there isn't more footage from before. He's already in a position of no return from the beginning of the film.
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Post by thebfg on Nov 28, 2018 11:46:44 GMT
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Post by bargemast on Nov 28, 2018 17:09:30 GMT
Very interesting to read that investigation report. Peter. |
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Post by Jim on Nov 28, 2018 18:10:22 GMT
Wow, that was a bad day. It's a pity there isn't more footage from before. He's already in a position of no return from the beginning of the film. I thought, if he had backed off at the start he wouldn't have turned turtle. But then I'm not a tugging expert. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 18:23:34 GMT
Yes the report was very well written. I found this bit particularly interesting
"It is known that, when people find themselves in a situation where they must solve a problem to which no rules apply and a new solution or plan must be formulated, there is a tendency to frame the problem as a choice between gains and losses. With respect to losses, people are biased toward choosing the risky loss—even if it is potentially more disastrous—rather than the certain loss."
680hp in a 40ft tug seems quite a lot of installed power.
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Post by phil70 on Nov 28, 2018 22:37:01 GMT
Never mind the turned turtle tug, the Arial Atom is a brilliant mad as a box of frogs piece of British motor engineering.... love it
Phil
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Post by peterboat on Nov 28, 2018 23:40:47 GMT
Yes the report was very well written. I found this bit particularly interesting "It is known that, when people find themselves in a situation where they must solve a problem to which no rules apply and a new solution or plan must be formulated, there is a tendency to frame the problem as a choice between gains and losses. With respect to losses, people are biased toward choosing the risky loss—even if it is potentially more disastrous—rather than the certain loss." 680hp in a 40ft tug seems quite a lot of installed power. True but would 10 HP work? |
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Post by phil70 on Nov 29, 2018 0:08:05 GMT
Yes the report was very well written. I found this bit particularly interesting "It is known that, when people find themselves in a situation where they must solve a problem to which no rules apply and a new solution or plan must be formulated, there is a tendency to frame the problem as a choice between gains and losses. With respect to losses, people are biased toward choosing the risky loss—even if it is potentially more disastrous—rather than the certain loss." 680hp in a 40ft tug seems quite a lot of installed power. True but would 10 HP work? Having given some thought the matter I concluded ..... probably not!! |
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