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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 6, 2018 16:43:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 7:41:03 GMT
So at Hampton Court they seem to be sending fines even to people who have registered. Someone takes photos of the boats.
That's nasty. Almost makes me want to not have the name displayed on the bank side of the boat.
Oh. That's funny as when I moored at Hampton court I hung my old joke name life ring (M.Y. SCUM) on side of the cabin.
No other name or number visible and visitor license was in my pocket. I wonder if they spotted the lifering and assumed it was the name of the vessel.
Hmm
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 7, 2018 8:17:23 GMT
ke.linkedin.com/in/danylokurpilSuch a clever chap, eh? Makes you wonder why he can't get his website working properly...  Piss-takers themselves? £150 - charge? fine? penalty?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 10:29:36 GMT
ke.linkedin.com/in/danylokurpilSuch a clever chap, eh? Makes you wonder why he can't get his website working properly... Piss-takers themselves? £150 - charge? fine? penalty? Waterside Mooring are basically just an arm of CRT. www.watersidemooring.comThey will argue that these signs are just there to protect boaters who have paid lots of money to moor on permanent moorings The problems will start if they decide to use ‘private enforcement companies’ to manage 24h/48h moorings on the tow path side. We’ve already had the £25 fine signs! Mind you, car clamping got banned, so if enough willing guinea pigs can be found, backed by crowd funding, I’m sure any new tide of psychological bullying can be halted through the courts. |
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Post by kris on Dec 7, 2018 10:33:04 GMT
ke.linkedin.com/in/danylokurpilSuch a clever chap, eh? Makes you wonder why he can't get his website working properly... Piss-takers themselves? £150 - charge? fine? penalty? Waterside Mooring are basically just an arm of CRT. www.watersidemooring.comThey will argue that these signs are just there to protect boaters who have paid lots of money to moor on permanent moorings The problems will start if they decide to use ‘private enforcement companies’ to manage 24h/48h moorings on the tow path side. We’ve already had the £25 fine signs! Mind you, car clamping got banned, so if enough willing guinea pigs can be found, backed by crowd funding, I’m sure any new tide of psychological bullying can be halted through the courts. Glad your so confident it can be stopped, maybe you would like to volunteer your boat? This is the creep of privatisation of towpath moorings, it needs stoping before we are all dealing car park attendants on the cut. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 11:04:18 GMT
Waterside Mooring are basically just an arm of CRT. www.watersidemooring.comThey will argue that these signs are just there to protect boaters who have paid lots of money to moor on permanent moorings The problems will start if they decide to use ‘private enforcement companies’ to manage 24h/48h moorings on the tow path side. We’ve already had the £25 fine signs! Mind you, car clamping got banned, so if enough willing guinea pigs can be found, backed by crowd funding, I’m sure any new tide of psychological bullying can be halted through the courts. Glad your so confident it can be stopped, maybe you would like to volunteer your boat? This is the creep of privatisation of towpath moorings, it needs stoping before we are all dealing car park attendants on the cut. We’ll see. I take it yuu’ll volunteer then? |
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Post by kris on Dec 7, 2018 11:43:32 GMT
Glad your so confident it can be stopped, maybe you would like to volunteer your boat? This is the creep of privatisation of towpath moorings, it needs stoping before we are all dealing car park attendants on the cut. We’ll see. I take it yuu’ll volunteer then? to be honest I've not heard of anyone having issues in the area where I am. So I think it's being rolled out in the south first |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 13:31:32 GMT
We’ll see. I take it yuu’ll volunteer then? to be honest I've not heard of anyone having issues in the area where I am. So I think it's being rolled out in the south first That’s why I’ll wait and see. So far I’ve not seen any evidence of private enforcement companies enforcing 24h/48h moorings yet on CRT waters. I think they would struggle to win anyway seeing as the 14 day rule is written in law. I don’t know of any examples where it has been enforced yet either. I’ve always hoped that CRT are sensible and only roll out measures where there is actually a problem. London is a very different beast to most of the country. I’m guessing there are pockets in other parts of the country where a small number of people have lobbied CRT to fulfil their agenda. Stoke Bruerne is a good example of this and has become a ghost village as a result. An own goal I think. People tend to react when the problem starts to affect them directly. As the creep continues, more and more people will react. My main concern is interruptions to the navigation, which is a current issue. |
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Post by kris on Dec 7, 2018 13:40:15 GMT
to be honest I've not heard of anyone having issues in the area where I am. So I think it's being rolled out in the south first That’s why I’ll wait and see. So far I’ve not seen any evidence of private enforcement companies enforcing 24h/48h moorings yet on CRT waters. I think they would struggle to win anyway seeing as the 14 day rule is written in law. I don’t know of any examples where it has been enforced yet either. I’ve always hoped that CRT are sensible and only roll out measures where there is actually a problem. London is a very different beast to most of the country. I’m guessing there are pockets in other parts of the country where a small number of people have lobbied CRT to fulfil their agenda. Stoke Bruerne is a good example of this and has become a ghost village as a result. An own goal I think. People tend to react when the problem starts to affect them directly. As the creep continues, more and more people will react. My main concern is interruptions to the navigation, which is a current issue. I think you will find that there is no 14day rule, it isn't written in law. It's comes from the old poor laws and has just become the norm. So cart are trying to make 24h/48h the norm which unless they are challenged will become the norm. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 13:42:43 GMT
That’s why I’ll wait and see. So far I’ve not seen any evidence of private enforcement companies enforcing 24h/48h moorings yet on CRT waters. I think they would struggle to win anyway seeing as the 14 day rule is written in law. I don’t know of any examples where it has been enforced yet either. I’ve always hoped that CRT are sensible and only roll out measures where there is actually a problem. London is a very different beast to most of the country. I’m guessing there are pockets in other parts of the country where a small number of people have lobbied CRT to fulfil their agenda. Stoke Bruerne is a good example of this and has become a ghost village as a result. An own goal I think. People tend to react when the problem starts to affect them directly. As the creep continues, more and more people will react. My main concern is interruptions to the navigation, which is a current issue. I think you will find that there is no 14day rule, it isn't written in law.. Who told you that? |
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Post by kris on Dec 7, 2018 13:45:57 GMT
I think you will find that there is no 14day rule, it isn't written in law.. Who told you that? Who told you it was written in law? I'm very happy to be corrected but my understanding of it is that no where in the legislation is 14days or any other amount of time mentioned. |
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Post by kris on Dec 7, 2018 14:00:45 GMT
I think you will find that there is no 14day rule, it isn't written in law.. Who told you that? Here you go you can check for yourself www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1995/1/enactedill correct my self it is indeed mentioned in section 17 (3) (c) (II) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 14:03:04 GMT
I can see perhaps why some boaters try to deny what is written in the 1995 act, but if the powers that be are given the excuse to change it, where do you honestly think it will end for all of us? Don’t forget most boaters in the country currently follow the law and CRT’s made up rules without too much of a problem. In fact I would guess that the majority of boaters don’t give a stuff about the London problem. If things get worse for the majority elsewhere in the country, I’m sure more and more people will fight their case. As for the ‘London problem’, I’ve always suggested that more dedicated moorings (and marinas) are created to allow people to use boats as accommodation if they wish to work and live there. It’s a very densely populated area, which has a unique problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 14:04:08 GMT
my understanding of it is that no where in the legislation is 14days or any other amount of time mentioned. 3 (c) (ii) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 14:06:58 GMT
I can see perhaps why some boaters try to deny what is written in the 1995 act, but if the powers that be are given the excuse to change it, where do you honestly think it will end for all of us? Don’t forget most boaters in the country currently follow the law and CRT’s made up rules without too much of a problem. In fact I would guess that the majority of boaters don’t give a stuff about the London problem. If things get worse for the majority elsewhere in the country, I’m sure more and more people will fight their case. As for the ‘London problem’, I’ve always suggested that more dedicated moorings (and marinas) are created to allow people to use boats as accommodation if they wish to work and live there. It’s a very densely populated area, which has a unique problem. Land value is too high to build new marinas. Interestingly the "problems" which caused the DEFRA houseboat group to appear are actually not connected to the London conurbation. Its a home counties problem. Leafy Surrey in fact. |
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