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Post by peterboat on Dec 20, 2018 9:29:57 GMT
253,000 is considerably less than 17 million, though, Peter. 256,073 now Ross its not been running long and who but us knows about it? when it hits the news then it will take off..............ohI forgot the media is anti Brexit
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Post by Jim on Dec 20, 2018 9:45:43 GMT
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Post by Jim on Dec 20, 2018 9:51:46 GMT
The NHS is being staffed by migrants, groaning under the strain of keeping it going, what with the great weight of many of the English patients. Asylum seekers aren't allowed to work, even though they want to. Either the migrants are taking all the jobs or the migrants are all on the dole, make up your mind! Most migrants are like you, with a bit of drive and initiative, they want to do as you did, earn your keep, pay your taxes and get your benefits, healthcare etc. Oh, and steal their womenπππππ Nice to read a sensible post. Waking this morning I heard a businessman saying he voted leave, he admitted it will cause a few problems for us but we shouldnβt worry, he says in 5 years it will be ok. Then I read on hear a nutter advocating war so I can send my children off to be killed or maimed. Oh, and then thereβs our resident comedian Foxy...roll on opening time I need a drink. It's nice to see another voice of reason in this nest of quitters. We aren't going to change any minds here, but while they are scurrying about answering my posts they can't be proselytising elsewhere.
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Post by ianali on Dec 20, 2018 10:07:09 GMT
Nice to read a sensible post. Waking this morning I heard a businessman saying he voted leave, he admitted it will cause a few problems for us but we shouldnβt worry, he says in 5 years it will be ok. Then I read on hear a nutter advocating war so I can send my children off to be killed or maimed. Oh, and then thereβs our resident comedian Foxy...roll on opening time I need a drink. It's nice to see another voice of reason in this nest of quitters. We aren't going to change any minds here, but while they are scurrying about answering my posts they can't be proselytising elsewhere. Iβve concluded that boaters in the main tend to be leavers. I wonder why? Iβve been retired a few years now, I doubt whatever happens will make much difference to me. I worry though for my children. Seems to be a lot of people who are hellbent on leaving and sod the consequences.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 20, 2018 14:59:27 GMT
It's nice to see another voice of reason in this nest of quitters. We aren't going to change any minds here, but while they are scurrying about answering my posts they can't be proselytising elsewhere. Iβve concluded that boaters in the main tend to be leavers. I wonder why? Iβve been retired a few years now, I doubt whatever happens will make much difference to me. I worry though for my children. Seems to be a lot of people who are hellbent on leaving and sod the consequences. In one of the many books I've read about boating in 'the olde days' (Idle Women, etc.) it was mentioned that, for some reason, boaters are miserable fuckers. Those who worked on the canals were dull and gloomy compared to those who worked on the railways - railway folk were much cheerier. So CRT's "being beside water makes you happy" does not always hold true. Railways are futuristic, loud, fast, exciting, clean - moving goods by boat was poorly paid, it's damp, dirty and there's horse poo all over the towpath to step in.
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Post by Jim on Dec 20, 2018 16:20:05 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 20, 2018 16:25:30 GMT
All a bit childish anyway, 'online' petitions. 17 million outside the gates of the Houses of Parliament with sledge hammers in their hands would bring the message home. But where are they? In the pub, I expect.
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Post by ianali on Dec 20, 2018 16:29:25 GMT
All a bit childish anyway, 'online' petitions. 17 million outside the gates of the Houses of Parliament with sledge hammers in their hands would bring the message home. But where are they? In the pub, I expect. Maybe there all down at Gatwick. Good to see we can have confidence in the UKs organisational skills after Brexit.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 20, 2018 16:33:21 GMT
What? In the pub at Gatwick? (ps: ' they're ')
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Post by ianali on Dec 20, 2018 16:43:38 GMT
What? In the pub at Gatwick? (ps: ' they're ') Please donβt start with the English lessons, had enough of that from the other forum.
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Post by Jim on Dec 20, 2018 16:46:23 GMT
What? In the pub at Gatwick?Β Β Β Β Β Β Β (ps:Β Β ' they're ') Please donβt start with the English lessons, had enough of that from the other forum. Think of it as a blessing, if Mr Fox is checking your spillung he's not copying and pasting the Mail.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 17:04:46 GMT
From memory, I would have said it was pretty much a 50/50 split of leavers/remainers on thunderboat (those that declared their voting).
I for one, despite voting remain, have become disillusioned with the process, and now feel our country should seize control and just leave on 29 March.
A straw poll of my own social circle would suggest that many feel the same way whether originally leavers or remainers. There seems to me to be a hardening of attitudes against the EU.
I was surprised by the general feeling of disgust at the treatment and lack of respect shown to our Prime Minister by Jean Claude Junker and others. Even the staunchest anti Mrs May people felt it was insulting and dismissive.
It also appears that people I know are convinced the 'worst case' prophecies from both camps are exaggerated, and whatever route we ultimately choose, a rocky road is guaranteed for a few years. Change always 'rocks the boat' to some degree.
Rog
PS Don't you find it really irritating to have spelling/grammar corrected by foxy ... who then posts obscenity and casual racism with impunity.
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Post by peterboat on Dec 20, 2018 22:27:41 GMT
Trouble is a second referendum will end up locked in court until we have left, and its not a house of commons petition is it? 262,269 signed it now
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 23:47:36 GMT
For those of you saying a hard brexit is the answer have a think about this.
I was chatting to my MD today before leaving for home, we had a decent talk about the situation we may find ourselves in at the end of Q1 in 100 or so days time - if we have a hard brexit here are the likely immediate impact to our busines that predominantly exports to Europe.
Cessation of free movement of goods.
Currently we work on a 12 day lead time from order to delivery to the customer - if free movement is removed and border checks/restrictions imposed it will eat into our 12 day lead time, if we factor transport delays of 4 days it only gives us 8 days to produce removing our safety net - increasing our lead time makes us lesss competitive than our competitors and would be a hard sell to our customers indeed. In addition to lead times being impacted; any transport delays would adversely affect some of our products that have a very short pot life - it would be high risk to transport a product that could exotherm in transit while waiting to be cleared for the onward part of the journey- the risk is ours not the customer, and in all likelihood would mean we would step back from supplying profitable products that have overnight become too high risk to us where before there was no problem.
Itβs not just us supplying the finished product to Europe that will be an issue - our suppliers for resin are based in Spain and our suppliers of woven glass products are based in Germany - any delay in supplying these products to us in the UK will again severely impact how our busines operates - we can only physically hold so much stock on site at one time in the case of glass, along with space constraints and safety considerations resin has a pot life that needs to be taken into account. Thatβs before you consider tying up vast sums of capital in stock sitting in warehouses where before we were supplied very nearly Just In Time, large quantities of stock means large quantities of dead money.
We can source resin in the UK but it is vastly more expensive, glass products are currently not available in the UK that meet our requirements.
Import tariffs.
Easy one that, straight off the bottom line - in an already cut throat busines price wise itβs a cost we would have to absorb - sending out a circular to our customers that prices have risen the day after a hard brexit is as likely to happen as hell freezing over - we have multi million pound contracts Europe wide - even a couple of % tariffs would have a huge impact.
Visa issues/free movement of people.
We have installation crews that work Europe wide - be that UK crews crossing the channel to work in the EU or EU based crews coming to the UK, itβs more red tape and cost that again comes off the bottom line.
I could go on and on, iβm Not going to as I have a good feeling it is probably a waste of time! but unless the pantomime being played out in Westminster suddenly stops we are expecting a bumpy ride from Q2 onwards. We are not going to be the only ones!
Being an inward looking Little Englander was never an option for me - be it from a busines or moral point of view!
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Post by ianali on Dec 21, 2018 0:23:31 GMT
For those of you saying a hard brexit is the answer have a think about this. I was chatting to my MD today before leaving for home, we had a decent talk about the situation we may find ourselves in at the end of Q1 in 100 or so days time - if we have a hard brexit here are the likely immediate impact to our busines that predominantly exports to Europe. Cessation of free movement of goods. Currently we work on a 12 day lead time from order to delivery to the customer - if free movement is removed and border checks/restrictions imposed it will eat into our 12 day lead time, if we factor transport delays of 4 days it only gives us 8 days to produce removing our safety net - increasing our lead time makes us lesss competitive than our competitors and would be a hard sell to our customers indeed. In addition to lead times being impacted; any transport delays would adversely affect some of our products that have a very short pot life - it would be high risk to transport a product that could exotherm in transit while waiting to be cleared for the onward part of the journey- the risk is ours not the customer, and in all likelihood would mean we would step back from supplying profitable products that have overnight become too high risk to us where before there was no problem. Itβs not just us supplying the finished product to Europe that will be an issue - our suppliers for resin are based in Spain and our suppliers of woven glass products are based in Germany - any delay in supplying these products to us in the UK will again severely impact how our busines operates - we can only physically hold so much stock on site at one time in the case of glass, along with space constraints and safety considerations resin has a pot life that needs to be taken into account. Thatβs before you consider tying up vast sums of capital in stock sitting in warehouses where before we were supplied very nearly Just In Time, large quantities of stock means large quantities of dead money. We can source resin in the UK but it is vastly more expensive, glass products are currently not available in the UK that meet our requirements. Import tariffs. Easy one that, straight off the bottom line - in an already cut throat busines price wise itβs a cost we would have to absorb - sending out a circular to our customers that prices have risen the day after a hard brexit is as likely to happen as hell freezing over - we have multi million pound contracts Europe wide - even a couple of % tariffs would have a huge impact. Visa issues/free movement of people. We have installation crews that work Europe wide - be that UK crews crossing the channel to work in the EU or EU based crews coming to the UK, itβs more red tape and cost that again comes off the bottom line. I could go on and on, iβm Not going to as I have a good feeling it is probably a waste of time! but unless the pantomime being played out in Westminster suddenly stops we are expecting a bumpy ride from Q2 onwards. We are not going to be the only ones! Being an inward looking Little Englander was never an option for me - be it from a busines or moral point of view! I agree with all that you said. Trouble is the people that want out just donβt care. I have given up arguing with brexiteers as all they seem to care about is leaving.
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