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Post by redfox226 on Jan 5, 2019 9:59:56 GMT
Thank you to everyone who responded to my appeal for help. I've now, thanks to Joe's helpful post regarding slipways, modified my passage plan, and will be entering the Trent at Keadby.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 5, 2019 12:02:25 GMT
Hi Tony ...... was reading that post/warning of yours. Under those conditions (neap tide and early on the flood) In a very shoal draft craft would it be safer when leaving the anchorage near South Trent Beacon to go upstream hugging the West bank through the West Trent channel ? _________________________________________ To get underway from that marked anchorage on the first of the Flood, that would be my preferred choice every time, John, with anything and regardless of draught. Stemming the Flood back down past South Trent Light in getting away from the anchorage, and then turning eastwards across the tide when you've got the East Trent leading lights lining up will always leave you vulnerable to being carried onto and grounding on the outer end of Middle Sand if you misjudge the tide rate, wind strength and direction, or if you're unlucky enough to suffer a temporary loss of power for any reason whilst doing it. With a commercial vessel, barge or tug/tow, it would just cost you time until the tide had made enough to float you over the shallowest parts of Middle Sand, but with a small pleasure boat it could cost you a lot more. I know it's fairly long odds against something like that happening at precisely the wrong moment, but I'm a great believer in contributing to and making your own reserves of luck, and not using any of it up until you really need to. West Trent channel round Middle Sand has always tended to change a bit in depth and width in cycles, but generally staying deep enough for at least light, inbound barges, and ABP's most recent surveys and charts have shown that it's lately been washing out and getting a good bit deeper and wider again whilst the East Trent with the Cliff End leading lights looks to be making up, especially at the top end near the remains of the stoneheap about halfway between Flats Light and Cliff End (low) Light. I last went up that West Trent side just before the Besthorpe-Whitwood gravel job finished in July 2013 with a light barge drawing about 4' 6'', when it was quite a bit narrower and shallower than it is now. We were quite early on a mean tide Flood, having waited for it on Tackhammer, but got through alright just riding over a bit of a bar towards the top end near West Trent Light. To find the deepest water through there you need to run no more than about 40 -50 yards off the shore/stones before passing Henderson Light, then 30 yards at most off the stones after passing Henderson Light then just before the stoneheap lowside of Island House Light, swinging head to Cliff End Light and keeping it on there until roughly midway between the two lights, and then steering for and passing close to the big stoneheap just over halfway between Cliff End Light and Hillside Light.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 17:02:25 GMT
He's making it up as he goes along !
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Post by cygnus on Jan 5, 2019 17:57:08 GMT
Thank you to everyone who responded to my appeal for help. I've now, thanks to Joe's helpful post regarding slipways, modified my passage plan, and will be entering the Trent at Keadby. Back in the 90's we were moored by the slipway in Blue Water Marina, Thorne. Anyway two camera crews turn up to film a chap launching his 18ft sailing boat. He intended sailing single handed from Thorne to Baltimore in the USA, finally realising a lifelong ambition. He assured everyone that he was fully up to the task and had much experience. It was on local telly that night. About a week later the big day arrived and the tv crews re-appeared. The intrepid adventurer cast off from the jetty adjacent to the slipway and using the outboard sailed off, but having forgotten to unfasten the tiller, just went round and round in circles in the marina. Once sorted he headed for the entrance to the canal while shouting for directions to Keadby. It was covered on the local evening news on both sides, with a promise of updates. Two days later he was rescued off Donna Hook, exhausted and confused.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 5, 2019 18:15:34 GMT
Whilst glancing through CWDF's latest crop of contributions earlier I came across one in redfox226's 'Transiting Trent Falls Ouse to Trent' thread by CWDF member ' Fitter Kieron' which gives rise to some serious concerns over the potential dangers posed by the Flood to small craft grounding over the Low water period or first of the Flood on the outer end of Middle Sand (now re-named Island Sand) in the Lower Trent. This is what he said : - Fitter kieron Location:Goole Boat Name:Vixen Posted 6 hours ago For someone like me who might only access the Trent via the Ouse on my boat maybe only a handful of times in my life the Boating Association books are essential. The navigational notes, transit lines and having every marker light and feature to gauge progress is really reassuring. Everything is there and easy to read. I would like to make this trip again to access the Chesterfield canal from Barmby in one day. Setting off from the anchor point at Trent falls last time i could feel the boat sliding over a mud bank so maybe next time i will sit on anchor longer. Also found that the flow on the flood tide past Keadby was really strong and i used most if not all of my 27hp to get into the lock ____________________________________________ The sentence underlined and in bold is the matter of concern. From what he's said it can be concluded that he was anchored over the LW period at or near the point designated as an anchorage on ABP's Charts, close to the Western training wall and roughly halfway between South Trent Light and Adlingfleet (Old river Don outfall) Light. On mean tides (halfway between Neaps and Springs) and above the Flood begins to run strongly up the Trent immediately after LW, and any inbound boat leaving that anchorage and heading for the Eastern side marked channel (Cliff End Leading Lights) at or shortly after LW is likely to be set towards and grounded on the outer end of Middle Sand by the strength and speed of the tide. It is at this point that things get really dangerous for small craft. Once aground and held by the tide on the outer end of Middle (Island) Sand it is impossible for any boat to escape until the tide has 'made' enough for it to float over the shallowest areas, and the strength of the tide can be sufficient to roll small vessels over long before there is sufficient depth for them to float clear. I posted several warnings to this effect before I was permanently banned from CWDF, and ABP - Humber publish the same warning in the Pleasure Craft Navigation pages on their website. Would someone from here please relay this information to 'Fitter Kieron', and anyone else on CWDF who may or could use this marked Trent End anchorage, . . they just might not be as lucky as he was. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * BUMP * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Would anyone able to contact ' Fitter Kieron' on CWDF , by PM or by posting, please draw his attention to this post from page 1 of this thread, and the one I've just put up on page 2. He was very lucky on the day he related his story about, . . . I don't want him, or anyone else, exposing themselves to the same risks again by following the idiotic advice he was given on CWDF about waiting longer after Flood before getting underway, which would of course significantly increase the risk of getting set onto the outer end of Middle(Island)Sand as the Flood gathers pace. Thanks, Tony D.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 18:29:50 GMT
Thank you to everyone who responded to my appeal for help. I've now, thanks to Joe's helpful post regarding slipways, modified my passage plan, and will be entering the Trent at Keadby. Back in the 90's we were moored by the slipway in Blue Water Marina, Thorne. Anyway two camera crews turn up to film a chap launching his 18ft sailing boat. He intended sailing single handed from Thorne to Baltimore in the USA, finally realising a lifelong ambition. He assured everyone that he was fully up to the task and had much experience. It was on local telly that night. About a week later the big day arrived and the tv crews re-appeared. The intrepid adventurer cast off from the jetty adjacent to the slipway and using the outboard sailed off, but having forgotten to unfasten the tiller, just went round and round in circles in the marina. Once sorted he headed for the entrance to the canal while shouting for directions to Keadby. It was covered on the local evening news on both sides, with a promise of updates. Two days later he was rescued off Donna Hook, exhausted and confused. Itβs not uncommon! metro.co.uk/2017/06/29/man-spent-five-years-renovating-boat-it-sank-as-soon-as-it-went-on-water-6743525/He did get it back up together though www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scottish-mail-on-sunday/20180923/282454234910330You had this pair of idiots your way a few New Years ever ago - they brought a new to them motor cruiser and set off in a storm with only a mobile for communication; unsurprisingly it packed up with dirty fuel filters - luckily they were still within mobile reception and got towed in. Had it gave up further out to sea it would have been a very different story. There was also that nugget who did several laps of the Isle of Sheppey on his immaculately! Prepared boat π€¦πΌββοΈ www.yachtingmonthly.com/news/motorboater-rescued-after-circling-sheppey-7217It must be Nelsonβs fault - England expects every man will do his duty - after all every Englishman must be a sailor seeing as we are an island race!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 18:30:48 GMT
TonyDunkley I have copied your post and placed it on cwdf as an information post in reply to fitter kieron's comment.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 5, 2019 18:34:27 GMT
TonyDunkley I have copied your post and placed it on cwdf as an information post in reply to fitter kieron's comment. Thanks for that, Andrew, . . I didn't realize that you were still on CWDF.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 18:37:23 GMT
I do occasionally post in the history section on cwdf
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 19:00:44 GMT
NC should get banned for her comment (or at least warning points)! Personal attack on another member of CWDF, no smiley face just an angry one......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:05:49 GMT
She was self evidently wrong when she said "all the knobs are now on thunderboat" but what do we care Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:23:18 GMT
NC should get banned for her comment (or at least warning points)! Personal attack on another member of CWDF, no smiley face just an angry one...... She has been reported. Not that that will make a difference unless there are multiple reports.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:28:39 GMT
NC should get banned for her comment (or at least warning points)! Personal attack on another member of CWDF, no smiley face just an angry one...... She has been reported. Not that that will make a difference unless there are multiple reports. Snitch!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:32:23 GMT
Naughty Cal and other vitriolic types continue to post over there ... yet some of our members are banned. You couldn't make it up. I wouldn't bother anyone posting over there ... as Arthur Marshall says, they all visit here anyway Rog
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Post by duncan on Jan 5, 2019 20:48:31 GMT
NC should get banned for her comment (or at least warning points)! Personal attack on another member of CWDF, no smiley face just an angry one...... She has been reported. Not that that will make a difference unless there are multiple reports. I have just discovered that I can report posts on CWDF. And I am not even a member.
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