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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 19:25:26 GMT
I think anyone travelling in winter can see with their own eyes that the 'take up' is very poor, so I'm not too surprised.
I understand the problems encountered, but the mobile permit was the winner of the two systems.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 22, 2019 19:30:08 GMT
I think anyone travelling in winter can see with their own eyes that the 'take up' is very poor, so I'm not too surprised. I understand the problems encountered, but the mobile permit was the winner of the two systems. Rog Depends where it is though. We noticed Cambrian Basin was chokka full at the weekend, with winter permit moorers. But then it is city centre, adjacent to CRT services and with Sherborne Wharf services (gas, diesel etc) 1/2 mile down the cut.
On the other, CRT winter moorings in the middle of nowhere with no services, are not surprisingly fairly empty.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 19:36:30 GMT
Agreed.
I would be surprised if the system was scrapped ... minimal take up across the system, at least brings money in, at almost no expence.
Maybe makes more sense to focus on popular sites.
Rog
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2019 19:37:26 GMT
I'm lost. what offence are you comiting.by walking a dog without a poo bag. as long as you pick it surely no offence is committed. I have seen signs recently saying it's an offence to not have poo bags on your person when walking a dog. If this is actually law (bylaw) or just one of these silly civil contract things I'm not sure. seen outside andyberg's boat, I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 19:38:07 GMT
Kris, where did you get the info that winter moorings are to be scrapped. I just haven't seen anything stating such. Rog It's not been made official yet, but they have been looking to stop them since 2014. The fact is that they are in all honesty illegal. CRT will look pretty silly if a court case ever brought up the scenario of winter moorings. The recent sale of bwml saw its CEO asking CRT to stop selling them. Imagine for a moment if that CEO suggested that the winter CRT mooring process was not legal. 😉 The only reason they’d get away with it is because they are supposedly a charity. If a private venture tried to charge people to break the law and moor for more than 14 days on the tow path side, they’d get done for extortion Personally I think there are situations like this where it is better for everyone just to turn a blind eye. After all if people are prepared to pay for winter moorings and CRT use the money wisely to benefit boaters, who loses? It’s just that given how CRT still seem to have a problem with openess and declaring their detailed accounts, I wonder how things would go in court?
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Post by kris on Jan 22, 2019 19:38:46 GMT
Agreed. I would be surprised if the system was scrapped ... minimal take up across the system, at least brings money in, at almost no expence. Maybe makes more sense to focus on popular sites. Rog i as jenlyn says it's connected with the sale of the marinas.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 19:40:52 GMT
I think anyone travelling in winter can see with their own eyes that the 'take up' is very poor, so I'm not too surprised. I understand the problems encountered, but the mobile permit was the winner of the two systems. Rog It's heaving with winter Moorers on the grand union below blisworth. Personally, I'll be glad if they are done away with, and CRT instead use a bit of common sense when weather conditions make boating difficult. The roving winter permit came about from CRT wanting to get rid of winter moorings in 2013. Myself and one other met Sally ash on my boat one evening, and we proposed the idea. She bought into it and eventually implemented it. The trouble was nabo and nbta didn't like it. They both constantly lobbied CRT to get rid of them, and eventually they did.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2019 19:42:10 GMT
I'm lost. what offence are you comiting.by walking a dog without a poo bag. as long as you pick it surely no offence is committed. I have seen signs recently saying it's an offence to not have poo bags on your person when walking a dog. If this is actually law (bylaw) or just one of these silly civil contract things I'm not sure. DOG walkers face being fined £80 under tough new rules demanding they carry two poo bags when they step out with their pets.Town hall chiefs in Canterbury came up with the punishing system after previous laws allowing them to fine dog owners who do not clean up the mess failed to stop the problem.
www.express.co.uk/news/nature/850285/dog-poo-fines-council-demands-owner-proof-bag
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 19:44:54 GMT
C&RT's current policy of 'allowing' 14 days other than where restrictions apply all year, really kills a lot of winter moorings.
If in a four week period, you only have to move once, why pay large sums not to?
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 19:46:50 GMT
C&RT's current policy of 'allowing' 14 days other than where restrictions apply all year, really kills a lot of winter moorings. If in a four week period, you only have to move once, why pay large sums not to? Rog Exactly.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2019 19:53:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 19:54:09 GMT
C&RT's current policy of 'allowing' 14 days other than where restrictions apply all year, really kills a lot of winter moorings. If in a four week period, you only have to move once, why pay large sums not to? Rog I must admit that I’ve never paid for winter moorings as we enjoy the cruising bit. The winter is quiet and the changing scenery is very pretty at times If I had to stay longer than 14 days I’d put the boat in a local marina for a few weeks. Obviously winter moorings suit some people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 19:54:13 GMT
This below was what I put out at the time.
5 June 2013 ·
WHY THE ROVING PERMITS
Let me start by making it clear that the Roving Mooring Permit is NOT a compulsory option for cc’ers. It is an option that can be taken up by Live aboard boaters and carries Grandfather Rights.
No one will be forced into taking up an RPM through CRT upping enforcement.
Several groups have been formed in the South East region and have been looking at the permit as a solution to a problem. That problem being, lack of online moorings (along with the prices they are fetching) and unaffordability of marina moorings in the area. On top of this, the councils are looking at charging council tax on boats. This has brought about the problem of moorings then needing planning permission, which is becoming ever more difficult for marinas and CRT to obtain.
The RPM takes away the necessity of planning permission, by if you like, developing a floating marina. What has gone before, regarding people living on boats, CRT not enforcing sufficiently and all the other arguments, do not really matter now. It’s happened and is in the past, like it or not. It’s really about time we put this behind us. There are only facts now, and in my opinion, these facts are what we have to address.
Those facts are An increasing number of live aboard boats.
An increasing number of cc’ersCommunities developing in certain areas with little movement
Continuous complaints by some on forums and websites of non-compliant continuous cruisers
The list could go on, but the four listed above seem to be the most concerning.
I think at this stage, I need to point out that there are not “hundreds” of boats seeking to take up the roving permit. The permit at the moment is being considered as a 12 month trial in some areas. If successful, it COULD be rolled out elsewhere, but again, only as an option. Another myth seems to be “it will allow CRT to define place and area”, this is rubbish. The fact is CRT has been working on defining place and area through development of a mapping system for some time (why not join in and insist we mutually help build it). This is something that will obviously come to light at some stage, and of course will create more debate and argument, and should not be associated with roving permits at this moment in time. The arguments for or against could go on forever, some of us would prefer to find a solution. At the moment, a roving permit will entitle you to stop for 14 days at designated areas within roughly a five mile stretch of a local canal. A permit holder will not be entitled to stop overnight on visitor moorings ONLY WITHIN THEIR PERMIT AREA unless they have permission from CRT. The cost has not yet been finalised, but is in the region of £50 per metre per year. Strict guidelines will be attached to the agreement along with efficient enforcement.
We also had discussions with CRT about “how far is far enough” for cc’ers. This again was aligned to the areas suggested for the roving permits. We developed a map that was acceptable to ccers in these areas, and CRT was happy to endorse this input and consequently put it to paper. (I will emphasise at this point, I think a tailored solution would be needed for other areas).
Everything we have done with CRT in recent months has been inclusive of all boat owners within the chosen areas. We have absolutely no chance, of pleasing everyone, but we have managed to get a majority who have been willing to look at options and a solution. The process is very much on-going, and is far from ready to roll out. Having now had almost six months of working closely with CRT, I am convinced that they will bring about change, some good, and some bad. My personal belief is that boat owners need to come together and have influence on what the future holds. Steer CRT towards a sensible, workable and realistic future.
It’s up to us to map out a direction for our chosen lifestyle. Please realise that change is around the corner. I don't like the idea of change either, but its going to happen.
Regards. Steve jay
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2019 19:59:37 GMT
Appprently the winter moorings aren't going to happen next year. which is a good thing in my opinion, if you want to stay stationery during winter get a marina berth. The winter moorings around here just reduce the number of visitor moorings for people who want to keep moving. I've never liked that. "You may stay only consecutive 14 days!" .... "but if you slip us some cash, we'll let you stay for a few months."
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 22, 2019 20:00:12 GMT
PCB designed using DesignSpark which is RS's free PCB design software. Actual PCBs made in China and shipped to me within 6 days, for £29. I got the boards back from China
Any questions?
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