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Post by Telemachus on Jan 18, 2019 22:04:50 GMT
In fairness Vince ... that's not what he's attracted the flak for largely. The threats of impeachment grow. Rog Basically, the PC brigade hate Trump for his stance on immigration, the Mexican wall. But he hasn't been responsible for a hundredth of the civilian deaths of Bush pere et fils, or Obama. Which is the greater evil? The greater evil is sincerely believing you are above the law. Coupled with the power to do significant stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 22:04:55 GMT
In fairness Vince ... that's not what he's attracted the flak for largely. The threats of impeachment grow. Rog Which is the greater evil? Being stupid, so Trump wins.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 18, 2019 22:09:17 GMT
Basically, the PC brigade hate Trump for his stance on immigration, the Mexican wall. But he hasn't been responsible for a hundredth of the civilian deaths of Bush pere et fils, or Obama. Which is the greater evil? The greater evil is sincerely believing you are above the law. Coupled with the power to do significant stuff. So preventing illegal immigration is illegal? How does that work then?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 22:10:30 GMT
In fairness Vince ... that's not what he's attracted the flak for largely. The threats of impeachment grow. Rog Basically, the PC brigade hate Trump for his stance on immigration, the Mexican wall. But he hasn't been responsible for a hundredth of the civilian deaths of Bush pere et fils, or Obama. Which is the greater evil? On that point ... I cannot argue Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 18, 2019 22:13:08 GMT
This is what is wrong with referenda. Get the plebs to vote, then we (the politicians, paid to make decisions) get to slope shoulders to the great unwashed. It then becomes a matter of which side can present the best and most convincing misinformation. Something that was won by Leave, with the £354 million a week bus, etc. And even then, by the thinnest of margins. Hardly a bastion of democracy to be revered. I am not particularly in favour of repeating referenda until the right answer is forthcoming, but in this case, when we voted we had no real idea of the issues. Now, we have a much better idea. Tough,it was up to the voters to do their own research.Just how many votes are folk supposed to get ?The vote was cast-get on with it.Have to be honest,are the French going to stop selling us vino?Will Spain refuse to sell us oranges/tomatoes etc Are other countries going to cut off their noses to spite themselves ? I doubt it somehow. I’m sure you will agree that a lady is entitled to change her mind. And in these PC and gender ignoring days, that must surely apply to all? So if you are given a box of chocolates and pick one at random (because you didn’t read the card and a mate told you how nice the octagonal ones were) but find you want to spit it out, read the card and choose one you actually like, should you be denied that chance on the basis that you made your choice out of ignorance but now must stick to it? No, probably not. As I said, the problem with referenda is that those voting are often ill informed and or easily led. So I’ll agree that it is bad to keep repeating referenda until you get the answer you want. But worse to use referenda as a means to avoid taking responsibility for a decision in the first place. The fact is that currently, opinion polls seem to support remain by a margin of about 20%, now we have had 2 years to think about it and with the benefit of actual information as opposed to spin and lies.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 18, 2019 22:17:45 GMT
The greater evil is sincerely believing you are above the law. Coupled with the power to do significant stuff. So preventing illegal immigration is illegal? How does that work then? We have illegal immigration into the U.K. How would you feel if Theresa wanted to spend 4 billion building a wall along the south coast beaches to prevent dinghies full of Africans crossing the channel. And let’s take the money away from wasting it on stupid things like healthcare to fund it.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 18, 2019 22:21:03 GMT
Tough,it was up to the voters to do their own research.Just how many votes are folk supposed to get ?The vote was cast-get on with it.Have to be honest,are the French going to stop selling us vino?Will Spain refuse to sell us oranges/tomatoes etc Are other countries going to cut off their noses to spite themselves ? I doubt it somehow. As I said, the problem with referenda is that those voting are often ill informed and or easily led. So I’ll agree that it is bad to keep repeating referenda until you get the answer you want. But worse to use referenda as a means to avoid taking responsibility for a decision in the first place. I'm guessing the reason you have used the word "referenda" three times in a comparatively short sentence is to trumpet your classical education. The simple fact is though that English is a constantly evolving language, and the plural of "referendum" has been "referendums" for at least as long as I've been on the planet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 22:29:32 GMT
Tough,it was up to the voters to do their own research.Just how many votes are folk supposed to get ?The vote was cast-get on with it.Have to be honest,are the French going to stop selling us vino?Will Spain refuse to sell us oranges/tomatoes etc Are other countries going to cut off their noses to spite themselves ? I doubt it somehow. I’m sure you will agree that a lady is entitled to change her mind. And in these PC and gender ignoring days, that must surely apply to all? So if you are given a box of chocolates and pick one at random (because you didn’t read the card and a mate told you how nice the octagonal ones were) but find you want to spit it out, read the card and choose one you actually like, should you be denied that chance on the basis that you made your choice out of ignorance but now must stick to it? No, probably not. As I said, the problem with referenda is that those voting are often ill informed and or easily led. So I’ll agree that it is bad to keep repeating referenda until you get the answer you want. But worse to use referenda as a means to avoid taking responsibility for a decision in the first place. The fact is that currently, opinion polls seem to support remain by a margin of about 20%, now we have had 2 years to think about it and with the benefit of actual information as opposed to spin and lies. Referenda 😂😂😂😂 You don't half play on being pillock at times.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 18, 2019 22:32:37 GMT
So preventing illegal immigration is illegal? How does that work then? We have illegal immigration into the U.K. How would you feel if Theresa wanted to spend 4 billion building a wall along the south coast beaches to prevent dinghies full of Africans crossing the channel. I'd feel that was a poor use of finances, since machine gun posts would be infinitely cheaper.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 22:47:22 GMT
Picking a chocolate and voting in a 'once in a life time', history making, entirely unnecessary, but enforced referendum are EXACTLY the same.
Why hadn't I realised.
Obviously the missing 'Strictly' effect.
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Post by Trina on Jan 18, 2019 22:48:17 GMT
Well all I can say is...bog off-we voted leave so get on with it!
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 18, 2019 22:48:33 GMT
Picking a chocolate and voting in a 'once in a life time', history making, entirely unnecessary, but enforced referendum are EXACTLY the same. Why hadn't I realised. Obviously the missing 'Strictly' effect. Rog Correct.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 18, 2019 22:52:46 GMT
As I said, the problem with referenda is that those voting are often ill informed and or easily led. So I’ll agree that it is bad to keep repeating referenda until you get the answer you want. But worse to use referenda as a means to avoid taking responsibility for a decision in the first place. I'm guessing the reason you have used the word "referenda" three times in a comparatively short sentence is to trumpet your classical education. The simple fact is though that English is a constantly evolving language, and the plural of "referendum" has been "referendums" for at least as long as I've been on the planet.
First para: Yes probably. In the same way that, following a good curry, I like to trumpet the results of that too.
Second para: Well according to Dame Betty, one can use either term. Their is no merit or demerit in using either. Unless of course you are an extremist, in which case no doubt using the term with which you don't agree is a capital offence and a painful death is the only acceptable consequence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 22:52:58 GMT
Tomorrow night ... Why World Peace is like Bake Off. Stay tuned for more political insight from our favourite son of Greek mythology Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 18, 2019 22:54:53 GMT
Tomorrow night ... Why World Peace is like Bake Off. Stay tuned for more political insight from our favourite son of Greek mythology Rog Yes there may be more words of wisdom tomorrow night. But not Sunday night, for there are more pressing matters than world peace and its threats. Such as how Stacy does.
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