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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 13, 2019 19:09:18 GMT
Any benefits gained from eu membership are unfortunately negated by the fact that for some 10-15 years now, my wages and conditions, along with millions of others, have steadily been moving towards parity with some Romanian or Bulgarian who can buy a six-bedroomed house in an acre of land for Β£25,000.
Never, not once, on not one single occasion since the referendum have we ever heard one single message from one single eu bureaucrat saying "Look, we realise there is something very wrong with our structure for the British people to have voted this way, and we are willing to listen to you and make changes".
And you never will hear that. Their arrogance and dictatorial stance permit only one reaction, punishment for our insubordination.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 20:30:28 GMT
Rees mogg looking a bit of a twat now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 20:40:42 GMT
A bigger bit to be fair ... always been a bit Rog
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Post by duncan on Mar 13, 2019 21:03:00 GMT
Lots of Conservative MPs abstained tonight, including Government Ministers. I think that is disgraceful. With something as important as this they have to make a positive decision, either way
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 14, 2019 3:45:37 GMT
The fact is that EU workers are a huge drain on the country's finances. The government would never commission a report to prove this fact, of course... "The fact is"? Show us your fact that the government won't report. It's generally agreed that someone must earn approaching Β£30K a year to make a positive contribution to Britain's finances. As it's generally agreed, it's a fact. All that then needs to be decided is whether the average EU migrant worker earns this sum, less, or more. No complicated formulas are needed, which can be made to say anything the author wishes. My money is on an average EU citizen earning far less than Β£30K. Perhaps you disagree.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 14, 2019 5:14:05 GMT
Lots of Conservative MPs abstained tonight, including Government Ministers. I think that is disgraceful. With something as important as this they have to make a positive decision, either way I bet they don't abstain from taking their obscene salaries, though! Paid for nothing - literally!
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Post by patty on Mar 14, 2019 6:45:26 GMT
I forgot about the vote... Went to bed so have now reluctantly turned on the TV... Ah..I see...no deal off the table but apparently to vote for a no deal one must have something in its place and hmmm.... Ah well wait n see...
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Post by Jim on Mar 14, 2019 7:10:22 GMT
No deal, no thanks! One step closer to remaining, at least to staying in the single market.
And Foxy, thanks for the coded post, utter twaddle in yellow. Keep it up, I can't read it so I know to just skip it. Cba to highlight itπ
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Post by JohnV on Mar 14, 2019 7:56:34 GMT
I think you are missing it, Jim. If no new deal can be made (very unlikely as EU say that's it) then we go out with no deal. All this waffling about extending the leaving date depends on EU agreeing to it ..... I can't see that happening, can you?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 14, 2019 7:59:02 GMT
No deal, no thanks! One step closer to remaining, at least to staying in the single market. And Foxy, thanks for the coded post, utter twaddle in yellow. Keep it up, I can't read it so I know to just skip it. Cba to highlight itπ The problem here though is that Cameron only called a referendum because he could see the exponential rise of UKIP, and the writing on the wall. Now, you don't think that 17.4 million people are going to say "Oh, all right then" if their democratic choice is ignored, do you? All that will happen is that the Brexit party will pick up so many votes and seats at the next General Election that there will be no overall majority and the country will be ungovernable.
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Post by patty on Mar 14, 2019 8:45:54 GMT
Having read all these gloomy threads I conclude theres only one course of action left ..... I'm going out on a long walk with 2 crazy dogs and I'll see if there's any more positive slant on stuff on my return...
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Post by ianali on Mar 14, 2019 8:59:42 GMT
Having read all these gloomy threads I conclude theres only one course of action left ..... I'm going out on a long walk with 2 crazy dogs and I'll see if there's any more positive slant on stuff on my return... Iβd make it a very long walk then π. Donβt fret dear lady, nothing will change, ever. Enjoy your walk.
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Post by ianali on Mar 14, 2019 9:02:27 GMT
No deal, no thanks! One step closer to remaining, at least to staying in the single market. And Foxy, thanks for the coded post, utter twaddle in yellow. Keep it up, I can't read it so I know to just skip it. Cba to highlight itπ The problem here though is that Cameron only called a referendum because he could see the exponential rise of UKIP, and the writing on the wall. Now, you don't think that 17.4 million people are going to say "Oh, all right then" if their democratic choice is ignored, do you? All that will happen is that the Brexit party will pick up so many votes and seats at the next General Election that there will be no overall majority and the country will be ungovernable. Similar to right now then. Only difference being that itβs not the country thatβs ungovernable, itβs the government thatβs incapable of governing.
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Post by Jim on Mar 14, 2019 9:23:08 GMT
No deal, no thanks! One step closer to remaining, at least to staying in the single market. And Foxy, thanks for the coded post, utter twaddle in yellow. Keep it up, I can't read it so I know to just skip it. Cba to highlight itπ The problem here though is that Cameron only called a referendum because he could see the exponential rise of UKIP, and the writing on the wall. Now, you don't think that 17.4 million people are going to say "Oh, all right then" if their democratic choice is ignored, do you? All that will happen is that the Brexit party will pick up so many votes and seats at the next General Election that there will be no overall majority and the country will be ungovernable. What is this overall majority of which you speak? The one May handed to the dupers on a plate, with lashings of cream? The one supported by the Mogg brigade? 17.4 million will be happy by the way, the other half of the public who voted. I suspect more young uns will vote next time and lots of previous quitlings are under the sod. I can see why you are frit of another referendum. I see your Eu pensioner french resident has been stirring the pot, lobbying around europe for no extension. Twat.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 14, 2019 9:30:29 GMT
When people have their democratic choices torn up and thrown away by those who are meant to represent them, you are entering dangerous waters. That is how civil wars start.
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