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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 9:44:37 GMT
The problem here though is that Cameron only called a referendum because he could see the exponential rise of UKIP, and the writing on the wall. Now, you don't think that 17.4 million people are going to say "Oh, all right then" if their democratic choice is ignored, do you? All that will happen is that the Brexit party will pick up so many votes and seats at the next General Election that there will be no overall majority and the country will be ungovernable. What is this overall majority of which you speak? The one May handed to the dupers on a plate, with lashings of cream? The one supported by the Mogg brigade? 17.4 million will be happy by the way, the other half of the public who voted. I suspect more young uns will vote next time and lots of previous quitlings are under the sod. I can see why you are frit of another referendum. I see your Eu pensioner french resident has been stirring the pot, lobbying around europe for no extension. Twat. You don't half spout some twaddle.
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Post by Jim on Mar 14, 2019 9:46:15 GMT
What is this overall majority of which you speak? The one May handed to the dupers on a plate, with lashings of cream? The one supported by the Mogg brigade? 17.4 million will be happy by the way, the other half of the public who voted. I suspect more young uns will vote next time and lots of previous quitlings are under the sod. I can see why you are frit of another referendum. I see your Eu pensioner french resident has been stirring the pot, lobbying around europe for no extension. Twat. You don't half spout some twaddle. No , twaddle is highlit in yellow, as per mr fox's new instructions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 9:50:00 GMT
Historical fact.
This country voted to leave the EU in a referendum.
Now twist your stories how you like Jim.
The historical fact remains just that.
Rog
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Post by JohnV on Mar 14, 2019 9:54:23 GMT
I will repeat my edit from another thread ...... "I was taught that you voted and if you were in the minority you went along with the majority because that was the way a civilised society behaved"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 9:56:50 GMT
You don't half spout some twaddle. No , twaddle is highlit in yellow, as per mr fox's new instructions. You're a loony matey, just like Corbyn and the rest of his idiot brigade. Barking on about for the many, not the few becomes quite ironic when I read some of your drivel. Your lord and masters at the eu pissing over your heads, and you lot convincing yourselves it's a golden shower. 😂😂
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Post by Jim on Mar 14, 2019 10:13:01 GMT
No , twaddle is highlit in yellow, as per mr fox's new instructions. You're a loony matey, just like Corbyn and the rest of his idiot brigade. Barking on about for the many, not the few becomes quite ironic when I read some of your drivel. Your lord and masters at the eu pissing over your heads, and you lot convincing yourselves it's a golden shower. 😂😂 There speaks a public schoolboy's puppet. Piss is sterile and harmless, Boris the shapeshifter's shite is a different thing altogether. Totally toxic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 10:19:42 GMT
a long read, but definitely interesting
Curious...
It gets even more curious....
Hmmm...
So in conclusion, he's a shill.
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Post by Jim on Mar 14, 2019 10:24:06 GMT
I think you are missing it, Jim. If no new deal can be made (very unlikely as EU say that's it) then we go out with no deal. All this waffling about extending the leaving date depends on EU agreeing to it ..... I can't see that happening, can you? ... or May listens to the democratic instruction of MPs and pulls article 50, so avoiding a No Deal Brexit. . That is her suggestion, as your great leader
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Post by JohnV on Mar 14, 2019 10:44:23 GMT
I think you are missing it, Jim. If no new deal can be made (very unlikely as EU say that's it) then we go out with no deal. All this waffling about extending the leaving date depends on EU agreeing to it ..... I can't see that happening, can you? ... or May listens to the democratic instruction of MPs and pulls article 50, so avoiding a No Deal Brexit. . That is her suggestion, as your great leader the most likely result of pulling article 50 is blood in the gutters. Again though Jim, you assume the EU would agree to it being retracted. If the referendum result is ignored after being made an electoral promise by BOTH major parties to abide by the result, I am not sure what will happen. Such a blatant disregard for the democratic wishes of society (and what ever you may cry about unfairness it WAS a democratic vote to leave) is such an affront to the democratic process that it will deeply upset and anger a very large majority of the population, whichever way they may have voted. If we cannot depend on government to comply with the voiced wishes of a majority then we live in a blatant plutocracy and no longer in a democracy. Remove the ability to force change by democratic methods then you only leave violence and civil unrest. That is something we have managed to avoid for a very long time in this country ..... By having a method to force change without violence.
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Post by Jim on Mar 14, 2019 10:55:32 GMT
It's not down to the EU whether it's retracted by us, we can just do it. It's not "the will of the people", that is a fiction. It's the will of a slight majority of those who voted. Some of whom may have changed their minds. Even though that is not allowed in a democracy, apparently. The half of those who voted who voted remain didn't riot, why should the other half riot? Being stirred up by self interested rabble rousers maybe? Unable to see they are being led up the garden path, or the drive to the stately home more like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 11:05:44 GMT
In law we leave on the 29th March UNLESS we seek to extend article 50 and ALL TWENTY SEVEN EU member nations agree.
Whether we seek an extension is down to parliament.
Whether it is granted is down to the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 11:13:22 GMT
It's not down to the EU whether it's retracted by us, we can just do it. It's not "the will of the people", that is a fiction. It's the will of a slight majority of those who voted. Some of whom may have changed their minds. Even though that is not allowed in a democracy, apparently. The half of those who voted who voted remain didn't riot, why should the other half riot? Being stirred up by self interested rabble rousers maybe? Unable to see they are being led up the garden path, or the drive to the stately home more like. I think a second referendum would show a much higher majority of those who wish to leave. I think there are a lot more people disillusioned with so called ‘democracy’ in this country than you think. The way the EU and our government have handled things over the last 2 years (and some of the things said by certain EU leaders) show utter contempt for ‘the little people’ like us. It’s a creep, which if allowed to continue, will directly affect our lifestyle in a very bad way. Already our freedoms and civil liberties are becoming more and more controlled by those who have obscene amounts of money. Take away democracy, you end up with a dictatorship, is that what you want? Is that what all those who died in the wars would want?
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Post by JohnV on Mar 14, 2019 11:15:20 GMT
It's not down to the EU whether it's retracted by us, we can just do it. It's not "the will of the people", that is a fiction. It's the will of a slight majority of those who voted. Some of whom may have changed their minds. Even though that is not allowed in a democracy, apparently. The half of those who voted who voted remain didn't riot, why should the other half riot? Being stirred up by self interested rabble rousers maybe? Unable to see they are being led up the garden path, or the drive to the stately home more like. there are none so blind as those who will not see. There has been a lot of times in my life when I have been outvoted. I believe in the democratic principle so I have gone along with the majority, accepted the result and either been pleasantly surprised or had my worst fears realised. This time the democratic choice is being manipulated, watered down, derided or ignored. ....... what ever way you voted the way parliament is ignoring the wishes of constituents is unforgivable.
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Post by patty on Mar 14, 2019 13:07:10 GMT
Having read all these gloomy threads I conclude theres only one course of action left ..... I'm going out on a long walk with 2 crazy dogs and I'll see if there's any more positive slant on stuff on my return... I’d make it a very long walk then 😀. Don’t fret dear lady, nothing will change, ever. Enjoy your walk. I'm back....see there are 2 pages of reading... Done my good deed for the day by taking bin bag and clearing all the rubbish spread by Storm Gareth.....bag full ...this woman comes out of her house and swaps my full bag for an empty one and off I go again... Dogs not impressed...however we did then walk along the beach crunching sea shells watching birdlife wading in the shallows. now to see what Ive missed...
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Post by patty on Mar 14, 2019 13:29:42 GMT
Wowsers yep caught up..... Have no comment.... Its all been said and I agree with lots of whats been written.. I conclude tis a ness...
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