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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 21:49:15 GMT
And you dont loose range when you floor it in an ICE car? Yes of course you do. Thankfully there are multiple forecourts near us, and currently only two charging points at our local ASDA verses six fuel pumps. It takes me 5 minutes max to fill my car in order to do at least 350 miles, how long would it take to charge an electric car to do the same number of miles? 9.5 hrs
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Post by peterboat on May 6, 2019 22:36:20 GMT
Yes of course you do. Thankfully there are multiple forecourts near us, and currently only two charging points at our local ASDA verses six fuel pumps. It takes me 5 minutes max to fill my car in order to do at least 350 miles, how long would it take to charge an electric car to do the same number of miles? 9.5 hrs Clearly never seen a dc supercharger
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 22:37:51 GMT
Clearly never seen a dc supercharger Go on then, How long How many Vehicle compatibility For starters.
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Post by thebfg on May 6, 2019 23:24:58 GMT
I wont quote anyone but I've a few questions.
Is there enough electric? Currently the UK is on eof the best at farming wind. 20%ish of our electric comes from wind farms, that has added £18 a year to every homes electric costs.
The question of cost is interesting yes car tax is currently free now and obviously theres no fuel duty, but where will the government find the 38 billion that they would lose from fuel duty and road tax?
Now where will that money come from because they need it, they have to raise it somewhere on something. It might not be cars but something is going up.
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Post by bargemast on May 7, 2019 6:31:10 GMT
That entirely depends on your motoring requirements. Popping to the shops in a glorified milk float wont suit everybody im afraid. Fastest accelerating production car in the world is electric Tesla roadster 1.9 seconds some milk float!! but when have you ever let facts get in the way? They sell these cars as road vehicles, I personally can't see any need in road traffic to drive a car as fast as that, their drivers will be nervous wrecks that are terribly frustrated that they can't floor the pedal everywhere. They are MUCH too expensive for most people, and the ones that buy them, and often crash their too fast cars in minutes after they try to show other road users (abusers) how fast they are, forgetting about trees,lampposts etc and don't know what a wet road changes to roadholding, which isn't a problem for them, if they didn't get badly injured they'll have a brand new one the next day, as they have no idea of the value of money, to them it's like opening a watertap (money tap) to get what-, and as much as they need. Most of these "drivers" are highly overpaid football players, models, movie stars, spoiled kids of oil-sheiks and other millionairs kids etc, they are more of a "Do you see what I'm driving ?" object, than a car people need to commute to get from A to B. If I had the choice between a 2CV in perfect condition or one of these madmans Tesla's, I would go for the 2CV, where hardly anything can go wrong, "as what's non-existant, can't break down" I've always loved the KISS principle, and "IF" something go's wrong on one of these 2CV's, everbody will be able to sort it. I don't think that they do the completely unneccesary 1.9 seconds in a hurry, but I really don't care anymore about speed, I've had my "wild" days (years) driving around in very fast cars that I would often drive in the middle of the night when the roads were almost deserted, as they were for my pleasure of driving, and not at all to show off and been seen with by others. But as I much rather spend my nights in bed nowadays, and I'm not interested in the fastest accelerating cars that I can't afford anyway, I simply don't care. Peter.
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Post by JohnV on May 7, 2019 6:59:29 GMT
Fastest accelerating production car in the world is electric Tesla roadster 1.9 seconds some milk float!! but when have you ever let facts get in theI go along with this Peter frustrated that they can't floor the pedal everywhere. They are MUCH too expensive for most people, and the ones that buy them, and often crash their too fast cars in minutes after they try to show rest removed to save page space Peter. Peter. For me, a car is something that gets me from a to b reliably together with all the tools and junk that goes along with boat owning. That will do me. Good post
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Post by phil70 on May 7, 2019 7:05:16 GMT
Just one thing to add to John's post...... it must have a wheel on each corner. Phil
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Post by JohnV on May 7, 2019 7:23:48 GMT
Yes of course you do. Thankfully there are multiple forecourts near us, and currently only two charging points at our local ASDA verses six fuel pumps. It takes me 5 minutes max to fill my car in order to do at least 350 miles, how long would it take to charge an electric car to do the same number of miles? 9.5 hrs late to this subject but the ability to fast charge is not that much of a problem, there might not be much around at the moment but just think how fast things appear when there is a need, especially when the technology is pretty standard. The types of batteries that are being fitted to electric vehicles are capable of very fast charging rates and the installed (in the latest Nissan Leaf) fast charging rates are 50Kw which gives a full charge in 30 minutes. Remember as well that when filling with liquid fuel many people only top up their tank from say, half full, with lithium technology, unlike lead batteries, topping up or not taking to "full" doesn't worry them. This is not exactly slow and what is more it is not pushing the charging capabilities to anything like the maximum theoretical limits. I suspect the limiting factor will probably be the cable and connector, but it would not surprise me if the times are improved quite a bit
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 7:35:29 GMT
Chinese EV company NIO have taken the interchangeable battery approach which is quite interesting. I would have thought that was a better way. I agree with bargemast the Tesla vehicles are "rich boys flash toys". I took my girls into the Tesla shop in canary wharf where they have a model S and a model X. Much too flash. I expained to them that these were cars for people with too much money who want to show off to others. Also noted that with any luck cars will all become electric but hopefully there will be a move away from speed and horsepower being the main selling points.
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Post by kris on May 7, 2019 7:45:12 GMT
late to this subject but the ability to fast charge is not that much of a problem, there might not be much around at the moment but just think how fast things appear when there is a need, especially when the technology is pretty standard. The types of batteries that are being fitted to electric vehicles are capable of very fast charging rates and the installed (in the latest Nissan Leaf) fast charging rates are 50Kw which gives a full charge in 30 minutes. Remember as well that when filling with liquid fuel many people only top up their tank from say, half full, with lithium technology, unlike lead batteries, topping up or not taking to "full" doesn't worry them. This is not exactly slow and what is more it is not pushing the charging capabilities to anything like the maximum theoretical limits. I suspect the limiting factor will probably be the cable and connector, but it would not surprise me if the times are improved quite a bit I imagine these fast charging outlets are dc? So it doesn't sound very efficient converting the transmission current ac to a high amperage dc output? Just a thought.
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Post by JohnV on May 7, 2019 7:49:56 GMT
late to this subject but the ability to fast charge is not that much of a problem, there might not be much around at the moment but just think how fast things appear when there is a need, especially when the technology is pretty standard. The types of batteries that are being fitted to electric vehicles are capable of very fast charging rates and the installed (in the latest Nissan Leaf) fast charging rates are 50Kw which gives a full charge in 30 minutes. Remember as well that when filling with liquid fuel many people only top up their tank from say, half full, with lithium technology, unlike lead batteries, topping up or not taking to "full" doesn't worry them. This is not exactly slow and what is more it is not pushing the charging capabilities to anything like the maximum theoretical limits. I suspect the limiting factor will probably be the cable and connector, but it would not surprise me if the times are improved quite a bit I imagine these fast charging outlets are dc? So it doesn't sound very efficient converting the transmission current ac to a high amperage dc output? Just a thought. semiconductor rectifiers are extremely efficient Kris ..... AC to DC is easy . (DC to AC is harder but even there efficiencies can easily exceed 95%)
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 7:50:09 GMT
late to this subject but the ability to fast charge is not that much of a problem, there might not be much around at the moment but just think how fast things appear when there is a need, especially when the technology is pretty standard. The types of batteries that are being fitted to electric vehicles are capable of very fast charging rates and the installed (in the latest Nissan Leaf) fast charging rates are 50Kw which gives a full charge in 30 minutes. Remember as well that when filling with liquid fuel many people only top up their tank from say, half full, with lithium technology, unlike lead batteries, topping up or not taking to "full" doesn't worry them. This is not exactly slow and what is more it is not pushing the charging capabilities to anything like the maximum theoretical limits. I suspect the limiting factor will probably be the cable and connector, but it would not surprise me if the times are improved quite a bit I think you and Peter are missing a few very important facts. The electric company's do not even have the infrastructure necessary to provide the extra gigawatts that would be suddenly needed to sustain a huge increase of electric use. The government are in a constant battle with different groups over building new generating resources. Those generator stations are not gonna be built soon. "According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), global energy demand could increase by more than 50% by 2030 in the absence of public policies in this area. Another reason for energy shortage and scarcity is the poor infrastructure of power generating equipment." I use an electric bike for short journeys, but it's buggered when the battery dies. All batteries have a life cycle, and it's nowhere near as good as the manufacturer would have us believe. If I wanted an economical car or 4×4, I would need it to have an engine as well as an electric motor, this is how it will be for many years to come, because the energy companies cannot build the power stations. Anyway, electric motors are for pussys, real big boys drive gas guzzling cars.
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Post by JohnV on May 7, 2019 7:57:16 GMT
late to this subject but the ability to fast charge is not that much of a problem, there might not be much around at the moment but just think how fast things appear when there is a need, especially when the technology is pretty standard. The types of batteries that are being fitted to electric vehicles are capable of very fast charging rates and the installed (in the latest Nissan Leaf) fast charging rates are 50Kw which gives a full charge in 30 minutes. Remember as well that when filling with liquid fuel many people only top up their tank from say, half full, with lithium technology, unlike lead batteries, topping up or not taking to "full" doesn't worry them. This is not exactly slow and what is more it is not pushing the charging capabilities to anything like the maximum theoretical limits. I suspect the limiting factor will probably be the cable and connector, but it would not surprise me if the times are improved quite a bit Anyway, electric motors are for pussys, real big boys drive gas guzzling cars. I drive a Volvo S8 (but diesel )
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 8:02:56 GMT
Anyway, electric motors are for pussys, real big boys drive gas guzzling cars. I drive a Volvo S8 (but diesel ) That's not something to brag about really, personally, I'd have kept that to myself 😂😂 I didn't realise you were a vol-au-vent driver, which makes it odd that you got booted from cwdf.
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Post by peterboat on May 7, 2019 8:23:36 GMT
Chinese EV company NIO have taken the interchangeable battery approach which is quite interesting. I would have thought that was a better way. I agree with bargemast the Tesla vehicles are "rich boys flash toys". I took my girls into the Tesla shop in canary wharf where they have a model S and a model X. Much too flash. I expained to them that these were cars for people with too much money who want to show off to others. Also noted that with any luck cars will all become electric but hopefully there will be a move away from speed and horsepower being the main selling points. It was tried by renault and failed miserably, its so quick to charge a battery why bother? plus if you own a good battery and change it to a bad one which then refuses to charge or be exchanged? crap idea really
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