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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 12, 2019 19:29:47 GMT
I do tend to generalise and make a lot of collateral damage - in this case (although vaguely related it's how my mind works) I had the case of the white British nurse in a UK hospital who was disciplined/suspended for refusing to remove her Christian cross pendant which she wore around her neck. Yet the NHS issues turbans..??!! Talk about hypocrisy and religious favouritism and discrimination! I suspect it was for cross infection reasons Very good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 19:32:18 GMT
I suspect it was for cross infection reasons Very good. No pun was actually intended but yes ill take the credit for a good one.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 12, 2019 19:32:21 GMT
I do tend to generalise and make a lot of collateral damage - in this case (although vaguely related it's how my mind works) I had the case of the white British nurse in a UK hospital who was disciplined/suspended for refusing to remove her Christian cross pendant which she wore around her neck. Yet the NHS issues turbans..??!! Talk about hypocrisy and religious favouritism and discrimination! AKA - fake news. Shirley Chaplin, a committed Christian, has been told by her employers that she must hide or remove the cross or remain out of the hospital wards. Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital told her that she cannot wear the one-inch tall silver cross openly around her neck, because it breaches their uniform policy and poses a risk to patients. While the Trust has banned the crucifix in its wards, it makes concessions for other faiths, including allowing Muslim nurses to wear headscarves on duty. She has been warned by her employers that she will be suspended if she does not comply with their request. There are fears that this would lead to her dismissal. She has spent all of her career at the hospital and has never been challenged before for wearing the necklace, which she considers to be a symbol of her deeply-held Christian faith. The move is likely to reignite the row that erupted over a British Airways employee who was told she could not openly wear a cross necklace, and will fuel fears that Christians are being discriminated against in the workplace. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6209892/Nurse-faces-the-sack-for-refusing-to-take-off-her-cross.html
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 19:35:11 GMT
That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel quoting the daily telegraph.
Are there no depths you will not plumb?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 19:36:25 GMT
Shirley Chaplin, a committed Christian, has been told by her employers that she must hide or remove the cross or remain out of the hospital wards. Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital told her that she cannot wear the one-inch tall silver cross openly around her neck, because it breaches their uniform policy and poses a risk to patients. While the Trust has banned the crucifix in its wards, it makes concessions for other faiths, including allowing Muslim nurses to wear headscarves on duty. She has been warned by her employers that she will be suspended if she does not comply with their request. There are fears that this would lead to her dismissal. She has spent all of her career at the hospital and has never been challenged before for wearing the necklace, which she considers to be a symbol of her deeply-held Christian faith. The move is likely to reignite the row that erupted over a British Airways employee who was told she could not openly wear a cross necklace, and will fuel fears that Christians are being discriminated against in the workplace. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6209892/Nurse-faces-the-sack-for-refusing-to-take-off-her-cross.htmlAnd? It breaches the uniform policy because 'it posed a risk to patients' which is exactly what I said. Fake news, all be it in the Telegraph not the Mail.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 12, 2019 19:38:42 GMT
Shirley Chaplin, a committed Christian, has been told by her employers that she must hide or remove the cross or remain out of the hospital wards. Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital told her that she cannot wear the one-inch tall silver cross openly around her neck, because it breaches their uniform policy and poses a risk to patients. While the Trust has banned the crucifix in its wards, it makes concessions for other faiths, including allowing Muslim nurses to wear headscarves on duty. She has been warned by her employers that she will be suspended if she does not comply with their request. There are fears that this would lead to her dismissal. She has spent all of her career at the hospital and has never been challenged before for wearing the necklace, which she considers to be a symbol of her deeply-held Christian faith. The move is likely to reignite the row that erupted over a British Airways employee who was told she could not openly wear a cross necklace, and will fuel fears that Christians are being discriminated against in the workplace. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6209892/Nurse-faces-the-sack-for-refusing-to-take-off-her-cross.htmlYour cut and paste misses an important point which is that there is no compunction for a Christian to wear a visible cross - it is not a part of the religion. Rather, it is ramming one’s religion down others throats. Whereas it is a religious requirement (according to some) for women to wear a headscarf. So comparing the two is illogical and sensationalist.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 12, 2019 19:40:38 GMT
I would love to know how a small crucifix worn around the neck is more likely to cause cross infection than a watch worn on the front of a uniform
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 19:44:58 GMT
A request for information can not be a fact Steve.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 12, 2019 19:48:14 GMT
Shirley Chaplin, a committed Christian, has been told by her employers that she must hide or remove the cross or remain out of the hospital wards. Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital told her that she cannot wear the one-inch tall silver cross openly around her neck, because it breaches their uniform policy and poses a risk to patients. While the Trust has banned the crucifix in its wards, it makes concessions for other faiths, including allowing Muslim nurses to wear headscarves on duty. She has been warned by her employers that she will be suspended if she does not comply with their request. There are fears that this would lead to her dismissal. She has spent all of her career at the hospital and has never been challenged before for wearing the necklace, which she considers to be a symbol of her deeply-held Christian faith. The move is likely to reignite the row that erupted over a British Airways employee who was told she could not openly wear a cross necklace, and will fuel fears that Christians are being discriminated against in the workplace. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6209892/Nurse-faces-the-sack-for-refusing-to-take-off-her-cross.htmlYour cut and paste misses an important point which is that there is no compunction for a Christian to wear a visible cross - it is not a part of the religion. Rather, it is ramming one’s religion down others throats. Whereas it is a religious requirement (according to some) for women to wear a headscarf. So comparing the two is illogical and sensationalist. I think you are on very shaky ground there ...... please explain how wearing a hijab is not ramming ones religion down other throats please explain how wearing a turban is not ramming ones religion down others throats please explain how wearing a crucifix is All of these are people showing by some public and visible sign that they are adherents of a certain faith banning one and allowing the others is discrimination pure and simple
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Post by thebfg on Aug 12, 2019 19:49:23 GMT
Shirley Chaplin, a committed Christian, has been told by her employers that she must hide or remove the cross or remain out of the hospital wards. Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital told her that she cannot wear the one-inch tall silver cross openly around her neck, because it breaches their uniform policy and poses a risk to patients. While the Trust has banned the crucifix in its wards, it makes concessions for other faiths, including allowing Muslim nurses to wear headscarves on duty. She has been warned by her employers that she will be suspended if she does not comply with their request. There are fears that this would lead to her dismissal. She has spent all of her career at the hospital and has never been challenged before for wearing the necklace, which she considers to be a symbol of her deeply-held Christian faith. The move is likely to reignite the row that erupted over a British Airways employee who was told she could not openly wear a cross necklace, and will fuel fears that Christians are being discriminated against in the workplace. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6209892/Nurse-faces-the-sack-for-refusing-to-take-off-her-cross.htmlYour cut and paste misses an important point which is that there is no compunction for a Christian to wear a visible cross - it is not a part of the religion. Rather, it is ramming one’s religion down others throats. Whereas it is a religious requirement (according to some) for women to wear a headscarf. So comparing the two is illogical and sensationalist. Interesting, without opening a massive tin of worms. But is it a requirement by those with muslim faiths to cover their skin and hair. Some people do and some don't. If its not a requirement then what is the difference between a fake requirement and the wearing of a cross? I don't fully understand the faith but what one follower will insist they have to wear the next person won't.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 12, 2019 19:53:18 GMT
Your cut and paste misses an important point which is that there is no compunction for a Christian to wear a visible cross - it is not a part of the religion. Rather, it is ramming one’s religion down others throats. Whereas it is a religious requirement (according to some) for women to wear a headscarf. So comparing the two is illogical and sensationalist. I think you are on very shaky ground there ...... please explain how wearing a hijab is not ramming ones religion down other throats please explain how wearing a turban is not ramming ones religion down others throats please explain how wearing a crucifix is All of these are people showing by some public and visible sign that they are adherents of a certain faith banning one and allowing the others is discrimination pure and simple The first two may or may not be seen as ramming. But for devout followers, it is mandatory and therefore that trumps any ramming effect. And of course for Muslim women it is all about modesty. For the third, as far as I am aware no branch of Christianity requires visible crucifixes to be worn and therefore it is a choice to do the ramming with no religious backing. Just the same as if they wanted to come to work wearing a sandwich board proclaiming the end of the world and how god will save you if you repent.
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Post by thebfg on Aug 12, 2019 19:53:48 GMT
I would love to know how a small crucifix worn around the neck is more likely to cause cross infection than a watch worn on the front of a uniform Especially one they have worn to work for how many years. Also the fact that they walk, drive, cycle and catch the bus in their uniforms to the hospital. I don't mind as i get to see all the pretty nurses in their uniforms.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 19:53:55 GMT
I would love to know how a small crucifix worn around the neck is more likely to cause cross infection than a watch worn on the front of a uniform There are some clinical areas were such watches would not be permitted. Equally its about risk management. A watch will often be considered an essential tool for the job for a nurse, and when worn would often be required to a type in a fob that was able to be kept regularly cleansed. A chain around the neck would not be considered an 'essential' tool for the job.
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Post by kris on Aug 12, 2019 19:54:28 GMT
Your cut and paste misses an important point which is that there is no compunction for a Christian to wear a visible cross - it is not a part of the religion. Rather, it is ramming one’s religion down others throats. Whereas it is a religious requirement (according to some) for women to wear a headscarf. So comparing the two is illogical and sensationalist. Interesting, without opening a massive tin of worms. But is it a requirement by those with muslim faiths to cover their skin and hair. Some people do and some don't. If its not a requirement then what is the difference between a fake requirement and the wearing of a cross? I don't fully understand the faith but what one follower will insist they have to wear the next person won't. I'd think it's to do with differing interpretations. So differing sects of ostensibly the same religion can practice different forms. Just think about Catholics and Protestants.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 12, 2019 19:55:50 GMT
I would love to know how a small crucifix worn around the neck is more likely to cause cross infection than a watch worn on the front of a uniform Especially one they have worn to work for how many years. Also the fact that they walk, drive, cycle and catch the bus in their uniforms to the hospital. I don't mind as i get to see all the pretty nurses in their uniforms. Nurses are not allowed to travel to work in uniform these days - infection control. At least that is the case for Aberdeen Royal Infirmary.
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