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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 19:59:13 GMT
I would love to know how a small crucifix worn around the neck is more likely to cause cross infection than a watch worn on the front of a uniform Especially one they have worn to work for how many years. Also the fact that they walk, drive, cycle and catch the bus in their uniforms to the hospital. I don't mind as i get to see all the pretty nurses in their uniforms. That will normally be in breach of the uniform policy too. As is the washing of uniforms at home.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 12, 2019 20:01:36 GMT
Shirley Chaplin, a committed Christian, has been told by her employers that she must hide or remove the cross or remain out of the hospital wards. Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital told her that she cannot wear the one-inch tall silver cross openly around her neck, because it breaches their uniform policy and poses a risk to patients. While the Trust has banned the crucifix in its wards, it makes concessions for other faiths, including allowing Muslim nurses to wear headscarves on duty. She has been warned by her employers that she will be suspended if she does not comply with their request. There are fears that this would lead to her dismissal. She has spent all of her career at the hospital and has never been challenged before for wearing the necklace, which she considers to be a symbol of her deeply-held Christian faith. The move is likely to reignite the row that erupted over a British Airways employee who was told she could not openly wear a cross necklace, and will fuel fears that Christians are being discriminated against in the workplace. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6209892/Nurse-faces-the-sack-for-refusing-to-take-off-her-cross.htmlIt breaches the uniform policy because 'it posed a risk to patients' which is exactly what I said. Why would a simple ornament pose a risk to patients? I'd say waiting rooms in hospitals where other patients are coughing their lungs out and sneezing and breathing their tuberculosis out, and poorly-trained/educated staff, is more of a risk than a metal cross. Of course, she wouldn't want to take a nap in a magnetic resonance machine in case someone turned it on.
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Post by thebfg on Aug 12, 2019 20:02:08 GMT
Interesting, without opening a massive tin of worms. But is it a requirement by those with muslim faiths to cover their skin and hair. Some people do and some don't. If its not a requirement then what is the difference between a fake requirement and the wearing of a cross? I don't fully understand the faith but what one follower will insist they have to wear the next person won't. I'd think it's to do with differing interpretations. So differing sects of ostensibly the same religion can practice different forms. Just think about Catholics and Protestants. Thanks Kris, seems logical. Then to further my post. If that would be the case then some Christians believe wearing a cross keeps evil away. And essentially my view is that its all about believing, just because someone believes a different book to the next person, why should they get special allowances? Anyway, I don't want to get into a religious debate. Just wondered that's all, and kris has, I think correctly answered.
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Post by kris on Aug 12, 2019 20:04:58 GMT
I'd think it's to do with differing interpretations. So differing sects of ostensibly the same religion can practice different forms. Just think about Catholics and Protestants. Thanks Kris, seems logical. Then to further my post. If that would be the case then some Christians believe wearing a cross keeps evil away. And essentially my view is that its all about believing, just because someone believes a different book to the next person, why should they get special allowances? Anyway, I don't want to get into a religious debate. Just wondered that's all, and kris has, I think correctly answered. No problem, yes religion is a funny thing and open to personal interpetation. But it's very possible that wearing this cross is an important tenant of this nurses faith.
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Post by thebfg on Aug 12, 2019 20:05:19 GMT
Especially one they have worn to work for how many years. Also the fact that they walk, drive, cycle and catch the bus in their uniforms to the hospital. I don't mind as i get to see all the pretty nurses in their uniforms. That will normally be in breach of the uniform policy too. As is the washing of uniforms at home. Maybe that policy hasn't arrived down here. They do do it, I live a matter of minutes away from Southampton General and working in a Local petrol station I see NHS staff from all our local hospitals.
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Post by thebfg on Aug 12, 2019 20:06:56 GMT
Especially one they have worn to work for how many years. Also the fact that they walk, drive, cycle and catch the bus in their uniforms to the hospital. I don't mind as i get to see all the pretty nurses in their uniforms. Nurses are not allowed to travel to work in uniform these days - infection control. At least that is the case for Aberdeen Royal Infirmary. They do down here. As above.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 12, 2019 20:07:15 GMT
I would love to know how a small crucifix worn around the neck is more likely to cause cross infection than a watch worn on the front of a uniform There are some clinical areas were such watches would not be permitted. Equally its about risk management. A watch will often be considered an essential tool for the job for a nurse, and when worn would often be required to a type in a fob that was able to be kept regularly cleansed. A chain around the neck would not be considered an 'essential' tool for the job. I wonder how many nurses have showers before going to work, or use dental floss and brush their teeth every day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 20:10:00 GMT
Your cut and paste misses an important point which is that there is no compunction for a Christian to wear a visible cross - it is not a part of the religion. Rather, it is ramming one’s religion down others throats. Whereas it is a religious requirement (according to some) for women to wear a headscarf. So comparing the two is illogical and sensationalist. I think you are on very shaky ground there ...... please explain how wearing a hijab is not ramming ones religion down other throats please explain how wearing a turban is not ramming ones religion down others throats please explain how wearing a crucifix is All of these are people showing by some public and visible sign that they are adherents of a certain faith banning one and allowing the others is discrimination pure and simple I think the idea is that a cross worn on some sort of chain type thing is physically small enough to end up in a throat whereas items of clothing such as the turban and hijab would require considerable effort to achieve the same end. However I would have to confess that it is more likely that a hijab or turban may be "rammed down someone's throat" whereas the cross on a chain is more likely to arrive there through misadventure.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 12, 2019 20:10:03 GMT
Interesting, without opening a massive tin of worms. But is it a requirement by those with muslim faiths to cover their skin and hair. Some people do and some don't. If its not a requirement then what is the difference between a fake requirement and the wearing of a cross? I don't fully understand the faith but what one follower will insist they have to wear the next person won't. Just think about Catholics and Protestants. OK.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 12, 2019 20:12:21 GMT
Especially one they have worn to work for how many years. Also the fact that they walk, drive, cycle and catch the bus in their uniforms to the hospital. I don't mind as i get to see all the pretty nurses in their uniforms. Nurses are not allowed to travel to work in uniform these days - infection control. At least that is the case for Aberdeen Royal Infirmary. And on arrival at work the security man asks them to remove their shoes and socks because he wants to see if they have cleaned under their toenails. They could have been wandering barefoot around a farmyard which had been exposed to Foot & Mouth disease.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 12, 2019 20:14:32 GMT
That will normally be in breach of the uniform policy too. As is the washing of uniforms at home. Maybe that policy hasn't arrived down here. They do do it, I live a matter of minutes away from Southampton General and working in a Local petrol station I see NHS staff from all our local hospitals. Odd. You would think that these days there would be a uniform uniform policy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 20:14:37 GMT
It will be OK as long as you don't let them in your schools
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 20:15:06 GMT
It breaches the uniform policy because 'it posed a risk to patients' which is exactly what I said. Why would a simple ornament pose a risk to patients? I'd say waiting rooms in hospitals where other patients are coughing their lungs out and sneezing and breathing their tuberculosis out, and poorly-trained/educated staff, is more of a risk than a metal cross. Of course, she wouldn't want to take a nap in a magnetic resonance machine in case someone turned it on. Dealt with that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 20:16:57 GMT
been exposed to Foot & Mouth disease. I was stuck in Hemel Hempstead for the last foot and mouth outbreak. Not ideal but at least we were allowed to walk along the towpath to the nearest road and go shopping in the awful town. How generous of DEFRA.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 20:17:04 GMT
That will normally be in breach of the uniform policy too. As is the washing of uniforms at home. Maybe that policy hasn't arrived down here. They do do it, I live a matter of minutes away from Southampton General and working in a Local petrol station I see NHS staff from all our local hospitals. Yup. Not adhering to the uniform policy is common place, as is turning a blind eye to it not being adhered to.
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