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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 15:57:14 GMT
It could be done in a FAQ type format. Which Delta could pin so it could be easily found, and not sink (no pun intended) to the bottom under all of Foxy's ramblings. I've no idea what a "FAQ type format" is, but anything that would, or could, exclude anyone participating in any way won't cut it as far as I'm concerned. The purpose behind this is as stated in the post you've just quoted, . . everyone will be welcome to join in, and to benefit from so doing, . . without exception ! FAQ -Frequently asked questions. eg - Q - What is the best way to enter a side lock from a tidal waterway. Answer........... Q - Which tidal waterways should I have a VHF radio on. Answer ............ etc etc These obviously are just examples. People could still participate if the thread was left open. Pinned just means it stays at the top, it' doesn't mean it's locked, people can still ask for further details or more specific information. (Or stick their own two penneth in of course)
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Post by patty on Aug 10, 2019 5:29:07 GMT
I've no idea what a "FAQ type format" is, but anything that would, or could, exclude anyone participating in any way won't cut it as far as I'm concerned. The purpose behind this is as stated in the post you've just quoted, . . everyone will be welcome to join in, and to benefit from so doing, . . without exception ! FAQ -Frequently asked questions. eg - Q - What is the best way to enter a side lock from a tidal waterway. Answer........... Q - Which tidal waterways should I have a VHF radio on. Answer ............ etc etc These obviously are just examples. People could still participate if the thread was left open. Pinned just means it stays at the top, it' doesn't mean it's locked, people can still ask for further details or more specific information. (Or stick their own two penneth in of course) just maybe this could be a thread that doesn't get side lined with the garbage that gunshot splatters others
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 10, 2019 20:33:13 GMT
Big Spring tides should not be, and are not, a barrier on their own to pleasure craft wanting to get upriver to Naburn from Selby. It is the combined effect of big tides AND significant amounts of fresh that give rise to the potentially very dangerous lack of headroom that can sometimes be encountered at Cawood Bridge. It is, in fact, entirely possible for the Cawood air draught to be severely limited by a combination of small (Neap) tides plus exceptional amounts of fresh after unusually heavy rainfall. The crucial factor in making the decision as to to whether or not passage is safe for pleasure craft is the TOTAL amount of water in the river at any given time, and NOT just the predicted tide height considered in isolation. The "big tide" specific advice you were given earlier this week was simply ill-informed nonsense from someone who either knows little or nothing of the river other than within sight of the lock he's in charge of, or who was working strictly to the instructions of some C&RT office chair polisher who doesn't fully understand the advice, warnings, and the river level/bridge clearance data they were given after the 2015 Cawood incident with the pleasure boater who nearly finished his day several inches shorter than when he started it. Had you made the Selby-Naburn trip on Monday 5 August and left Selby on the first of the flood, the running time to Cawood with a big tide under you and only slowed very slightly by the 2' - 2' 6'' of fresh in the river between Selby and Naburn would have seen you through Cawood with something in excess of 12' of headroom under the (closed) swingbridge, and even if you had been late away from Selby, or delayed for any reason on the way, there would still have been a little over 8' under the bridge at local (Cawood) High Water. You probably won't agree, but I think the inconvenience the volunteer at Wigan caused you fades into insignificance in comparison this ! Thanks for the advice Tony. I agree that the volockie thing was not a huge deal, I just see a trend where volockies are increasingly thinking they are in charge and very important. I want to flag the problem up to CRT whenever it occurs, rather than ignore and thus condone it. Yes I understand that it is the combination. But just so I understand, are these bridges actually an issue if there is good communication? Is it a “big deal” to get the bridge(s) swung? Anyway I realised that it would be a lot easier to have the 5 days in Aberdeen with the boat in Selby rather than Ripon so delaying until next week is a better idea - provided there isn’t another large dollop of rain in the meantime of course! That is just pot luck. Quite a small tide on Tuesday so it will be a bit dull - and very early in the morning, but we’ll cope! Oh and is the air draft at the bridges available on line anywhere? Good communication with the bridges is vital, and to re-emphasize the point that John was making earlier, . . communication that doesn't leave the bridge keepers enough time to swing the bridges off before you arrive being pushed along on a swift tide is of no use at all ! For canal boats making the Summer trip up to York and beyond from Selby, Cawood is really the only bridge that could or should possibly cause any problems with briggage, and then only if any one or all of the three crucial elements of big tides, big quantities of fresh, or being late away from Selby come into play. In the aftermath of the 2015 incident at Cawood, North Yorkshire C.C., the authority responsible for operating the Ouse swingbridges, provided C&RT with phone numbers for contacting all the bridges, and we jointly stressed to C&RT the necessity for their lock keepers at Naburn and Selby to pass these numbers on to boaters and for the locks themselves to advise the Cawood bridge keepers of any vessels en route in conditions in which the expected headroom/clearance at the time of their ETA at Cawood would necessitate the bridge being swung off. It would be interesting to know if they have continued with this practice, or if they have reverted to sending pleasure craft out into the tidal Ouse without informing the bridge authorities or providing the boaters with the means of contacting the bridges directly, . . in much the same way as they despatch pleasure craft from Limehouse without a call to the PLA's Woolwich VTS.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 10, 2019 22:17:25 GMT
I did quiz the guy at Selby on Thursday about bridge airdraft. He just said it wouldn’t be a problem in a narrowboat. But maybe he meant that day, with not much fresh and modest tides. Obviously the river is coming up again so something to watch out for if we do manage to get out on Tuesday morning. I did establish that the bridges are on channel 9. Are they manned 24 hrs? Flood arrives around 5:45am on Tuesday. Are the bridge keepers in bed at that time?
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Post by JohnV on Aug 11, 2019 7:12:41 GMT
I did quiz the guy at Selby on Thursday about bridge airdraft. He just said it wouldn’t be a problem in a narrowboat. But maybe he meant that day, with not much fresh and modest tides. Obviously the river is coming up again so something to watch out for if we do manage to get out on Tuesday morning. I did establish that the bridges are on channel 9. Are they manned 24 hrs? Flood arrives around 5:45am on Tuesday. Are the bridge keepers in bed at that time? to the best of my knowledge they are only manned around tide times as to tide times out of normal working hours I can't help ....... your best bet would be to call the bridge directly and talk to the chap on the bridge ..... if you call around tide time during the day you should get him. I have just been checking my phone memory but I don't have the phone number for Cawood stored. If you want it for future reference Selby bridges 01757703182
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 11, 2019 18:12:02 GMT
Apparently Naburn lock is closed due to being under water. Doesn’t bode too well for our trip on Tuesday morning!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 18:16:00 GMT
Apparently Naburn lock is closed due to being under water. Doesn’t bode too well for our trip on Tuesday morning! If true, unsurprising. Its been peeing down massively around these parts.
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Post by duncan on Aug 11, 2019 18:20:23 GMT
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 11, 2019 18:35:03 GMT
Thanks. I think it will be York and Ripon next year!
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Post by Jim on Aug 11, 2019 19:30:54 GMT
Thanks. I think it will be York and Ripon next year! So the Rochdale it is then!
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 11, 2019 19:39:10 GMT
Thanks. I think it will be York and Ripon next year! So the Rochdale it is then! No we’re going back up the Trent. Maybe have time to stop on the Chesterfield for a few days now Ripon is off. That is, if the Trent doesn’t go into flood!
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Post by kris on Aug 11, 2019 19:44:38 GMT
So the Rochdale it is then! No we’re going back up the Trent. Maybe have time to stop on the Chesterfield for a few days now Ripon is off. That is, if the Trent doesn’t go into flood! it's rising again, so I wouldn't count on it.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 11, 2019 19:52:05 GMT
No we’re going back up the Trent. Maybe have time to stop on the Chesterfield for a few days now Ripon is off. That is, if the Trent doesn’t go into flood! it's rising again, so I wouldn't count on it. just looking at the gauge level aT Shardlow ..... shows it up a bit but predicting falling again over next day or two flood-warning-information.service.gov.uk/station/2100?direction=u
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Post by kris on Aug 11, 2019 19:55:36 GMT
Yes I knowthe ones john, I'm just trying to upset Nick.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 11, 2019 20:16:17 GMT
sorry Kris .... didn't mean to spoil your fun
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