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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 11, 2019 19:44:42 GMT
"How does your garden grow?" when was the footage obtained? no sign of trees or saplings at the location where the collapse occurred as far as I can see. It seems to be from the year 2016. From the same video Allan posted. I just paused the video and made a 'still'. You can blame lack of depth of field on someone else
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 11, 2019 19:50:13 GMT
So... what news of Whaley Bridge? It's all gone quiet. Everyone all gone home? Any houses been looted? Will anyone be seeking damages for the costs and inconvenience? What next? A rebuild of the whole dam? What have investigations revealed? Have house prices fallen in Whaley Bridge after this, as, let's face it, who wants to live there any more with impending disaster looming? Can they even insure their houses now? I have been told that many houses and businesses along the Calder valley (Hebden Bridge - Sowerby Bridge area) cannot purchase insurance as insurance companies deem it too risky, too liable to flooding (as we saw of the Boxing Day flood of 2015). a predating wild dog was observed rootling through drawers in ladies' bedroom chests, but apart from that ................................... predating, eh? look at their undies first and size 'em up before taking them on a candlelit dinner.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 19:51:59 GMT
Rootling is quite a good word as well.
I thought predating was when something was older like "canals predate railways".
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 11, 2019 19:53:24 GMT
I thought predating was when something was older like "canals predate railways". predate to kill and eat another animal: Some species of bat predate small mammals. Possums will predate on baby birds and eggs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 19:54:54 GMT
verb: predate; 3rd person present: predates; past tense: predated; past participle: predated; gerund or present participle: predating; verb: pre-date; 3rd person present: pre-dates; past tense: pre-dated; past participle: pre-dated; gerund or present participle: pre-dating exist or occur at a date earlier than (something). "here parish boundaries seem clearly to predate Roman roads"
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Post by kris on Aug 11, 2019 21:18:26 GMT
verb: predate; 3rd person present: predates; past tense: predated; past participle: predated; gerund or present participle: predating; verb: pre-date; 3rd person present: pre-dates; past tense: pre-dated; past participle: pre-dated; gerund or present participle: pre-dating exist or occur at a date earlier than (something). "here parish boundaries seem clearly to predate Roman roads" what about predation?
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Post by bodger on Aug 12, 2019 7:03:24 GMT
I thought predating was when something was older like "canals predate railways". predate to kill and eat another animal: Some species of bat predate small mammals. Possums will predate on baby birds and eggs. at least the fox gets the point without becoming a thesaural pedant.
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Post by bills on Aug 12, 2019 7:40:12 GMT
predate: swiping right on Tinder.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 12, 2019 7:46:11 GMT
predate: swiping right on Tinder. I thought it was making first contact with someone you fancy
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Post by NigelMoore on Aug 23, 2019 5:44:48 GMT
Shropshire Star article 21 August 2019 –
The Canal and River Trust said it is ‘happy’ with how the dam wall at the Toddbrook Reservoir was originally built. Work on the damaged dam in Whaley Bridge will take years and cost “millions”, the project manager has said.
More than 1,500 people were evacuated from the Derbyshire town from August 1 due to fears that the dam wall at the Toddbrook Reservoir would collapse after heavy rain. But the Canal and River Trust, which is responsible for maintaining the dam, have now said it is “happy” with how it was originally built – describing the incident as an “anomaly”. Project manager for the trust, Rob Jowitt, said there are other dams with a similar construction but there will be no change and no increase in cost for monitoring them.
He told the PA news agency: “There are other dams of similar construction – earth embankment dams – obviously this was built over 200 years ago.
“The investigations we have done, I’m guessing, will be spread around because there are over 2,000 other dams around the country and the lessons we have learned here will be spread around other organisations who look after and maintain dams.
“We look after 72 dams, some are operational and some aren’t. We’ll carry on with our regulated inspections – weekly and daily inspections – so there may be a few lessons learned in terms of maybe we add some processes in to our inspections, but the investigation may come back and say we were doing everything to the letter.
“There are obviously dams with similar spillways but each dam is slightly different – different size, different width, depending on how many cubic metres of water they are holding back.”
Mr Jowitt said there would be no cost increase for monitoring the other dams of a similar design because the same inspections would be carried out.
He said: “There will be no increase in cost unless the investigation into what happened here says we need to start doing other types of investigation but at the minute we are doing everything to the book as the Reservoir Act stipulates.”
Questioned about the future of the dam at Toddbrook Reservoir, Mr Jowitt said: “I wouldn’t like to speculate on the scale of the rebuild and repair, but it’s going to be major and potentially two to three years worth of work.
“The scale of the cost could vary massively, so until we get the designs back… we don’t know if we can self-fund it or ask the Government for input.”
Speaking about the cost of a rebuild, Mr Jowitt said: “It will certainly be in the millions – I’m not sure whether it’ll be in the tens or hundreds or thousands of millions.
“Until we get those designs done, and all the investigation done, I couldn’t put a figure on it.”
Commenting on how long the trust would be working on the dam repairs, Mr Jowitt said: “It will easily be two years. Obviously any longer than that is going to be down to the scale of the construction and scale of the work they are going to have to do.”
Mr Jowitt told PA there were weekly and daily inspections of the dam at Toddbrook Reservoir before it was damaged despite vegetation growing in between the concrete slabs.
He said: “We had regular inspections of the dam, we had periodic, principal inspections – and then weekly inspections and possibly daily inspections.
“As far as why this happened, the investigation is still going on. We have surveyed everything, we have left no stone unturned – at the minute we know the position of every stone around here with the amount of surveys we have had done.
“The daily and weekly inspections were visual – and obviously we have stringent checks we have to do during these inspections.
“Everything happened suddenly. There was no warning that it was going to fail.”
Asked if it was fair to describe the damaged dam in Whaley Bridge as an anomaly, Mr Jowitt said: “Yes, definitely. It came as a surprise – there were no tell-tale signs that anything was going to happen.
“It was just with the amount of rainfall we had over that period, it’s very rare to see it over the top of the auxiliary spillway because usually the primary spillway will take all the flow away – so it was just the freak weather we had.”
Questioned on whether he was confident the trust would be able to deal with another period of “freak” weather, Mr Jowitt said: “We have got everything place to be able to deal with that and shift the water as and when we need to.
“With the weather we had on Friday, which was obviously quite a big weather event, we turned eight of the 11 pumps on so we still had three sat there and we managed the water levels perfectly fine.”
Speaking of the safety of the dam, Mr Jowitt said: “With the management we have got at the minute, we know that if we do get heavy rainfall that we can manage that. We can manage a one-in-200-year flood event.
“We are happy that the reservoir, at its drawn down state, can take a huge influx of water and we can manage those levels so we don’t have to start evacuating residents again.”
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 23, 2019 6:57:03 GMT
"There was no warning that it was going to fail." Despite all the complaints during the past few years, eh? Rob Jowitt. "Caluclations, Design and delivery of projects." Is this how you inspect things, Rob? Your own CV! uk.linkedin.com/in/rob-jowitt-96aa5619
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 23, 2019 6:59:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 7:02:16 GMT
Shropshire Star article 21 August 2019 – The Canal and River Trust said it is ‘happy’ with how the dam wall at the Toddbrook Reservoir was originally built. Work on the damaged dam in Whaley Bridge will take years and cost “millions”, the project manager has said. ... “The scale of the cost could vary massively, so until we get the designs back… we don’t know if we can self-fund it or ask the Government for input.” Speaking about the cost of a rebuild, Mr Jowitt said: “It will certainly be in the millions – I’m not sure whether it’ll be in the tens or hundreds or thousands of millions. “Until we get those designs done, and all the investigation done, I couldn’t put a figure on it.” ... The suggestion the cost could be in the hundreds or thousands of millions must surely be some sort of clalcuation error.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 23, 2019 7:04:23 GMT
Ker-ching! Licence fees to increase soon!
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 23, 2019 7:13:04 GMT
It's interesting to ponder why, even when Toodbrook is full to the brim, the canal it serves is routinely kept well below its maximum. The 'expert engineers' would seem to have believed that, prior to its little accident, the reservoir was a better place for high water levels than the canal. Given that it's experts who formed this opinion we might expect a breach of the canal soon, perhaps during 'exceptional weather conditions' i.e. when it rains a lot, which does indeed happen.
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