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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 21, 2019 17:28:57 GMT
Johnv said HS2 would be a good thing, helping to create space on the present London - Birmingham (- Manchester) railway. I remember this. Personally I would re-open many of the railways 'put to sleep' by the crooks Beeching and Marples. HS2 is backhanders all round for your mates, the building companies and Deutsche Bahn who get a railway for free and then just suck the revenue out of it.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 21, 2019 17:33:48 GMT
Ground works have already started on the Oxford canal summit ... looks like a convention for heavy plant ! Yes, we saw it, also somewhere around Priors Hardwick. There were "No HS2" signs put up by the wealthy house owners around Priors Hardwick, to which my thoughts were "Bring it on!". They don't like it up them. Let the Rich experience 'Cultural Diversity' also, why should it just be the poor who are exposed to this 'privilege'?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 17:36:40 GMT
Ground works have already started on the Oxford canal summit ... looks like a convention for heavy plant ! Yes, we saw it, also somewhere around Priors Hardwick. There were "No HS2" signs put up by the wealthy house owners around Priors Hardwick, to which my thoughts were "Bring it on!". They don't like it up them. Let the Rich experience 'Cultural Diversity' also, why should it just be the poor who are exposed to this 'privilege'? What the heck has hs2 got to do with 'cultural diversity'? Why do you have to introduce this notion into completely unrelated topics?
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 21, 2019 17:41:08 GMT
As usual in the U.K. we have been very slow to invest in transport infrastructure. Our railways really are crap compared to much of Europe. If we don’t build HS2, how long are we going to keep on relying on infrastructure built in Victorian times! Withslow and clanky overcrowded rolling stock. Withslow and clanky? Is that a firm of carriage makers?
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 21, 2019 17:49:07 GMT
Yes, we saw it, also somewhere around Priors Hardwick. There were "No HS2" signs put up by the wealthy house owners around Priors Hardwick, to which my thoughts were "Bring it on!". They don't like it up them. Let the Rich experience 'Cultural Diversity' also, why should it just be the poor who are exposed to this 'privilege'? What the heck has hs2 got to do with 'cultural diversity'? The UK is getting more and more crowded and the wealthy are becoming exposed to what previously they preferred to pretend didn't exist. Good. Surely you have read about mansion piles such as Shugborough where, when the railway was built through the grounds, it had to go through tunnels so the trains for the vile Working Classes were not to be seen. Audley End is another example. And then there are canals which had to be hidden from sight of the landowner, you know, ditches inhabited by water gypsies in their ragged clothes and shoes with holes in them and their strange, uncouth ways. The Rich can't go to the quaint rose-covered sub Post office any more and expect to bump into Miss Marple on the way with her bicycle and her cat in the basket.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 21, 2019 17:51:32 GMT
HS2 route. Looks like they forgot about Birmingham at first, then had to sketch it in. I suppose someone must have complained.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 17:51:34 GMT
What the heck has hs2 got to do with 'cultural diversity'? The UK is getting more and more crowded and the wealthy are becoming exposed to what previously they preferred to pretend didn't exist. Good. Surely you have read about mansion piles such as Shugborough where, when the railway was built through the grounds, it had to go through tunnels so the trains for the vile Working Classes were not to be seen. Audley End is another example. And then there are canals which had to be hidden from sight of the landowner, you know, ditches inhabited by water gypsies in their ragged clothes and shoes with holes in them and their strange, uncouth ways. The Rich can't go to the quaint rose-covered sub Post office any more and expect to bump into Miss Marple on the way with her bicycle and her cat in the basket. Which has nothing to do with 'cultural diversity'.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 21, 2019 18:53:28 GMT
I've mixed feelings on this one. On one hand I've seen the difference decent infrastructure can make. In Malaysia for example, a country (apparently) far less developed than our own has a fantastic train network. Long distance trains, local trains and skytrains all integrated within one building in the capital. On the other hand it does seem that it's a massive investment that will benefit relatively few people. Perhaps this sum of money would be better spent elsewhere, where it could benefit larger numbers of people.
Unfortunately Britain has a very large bill for 'welfare'. If some of this were to be diverted to infrastructure projects it would make sense, should enable Britain to compete better with countries that see the wisdom of investment in infrastructure. So, for example, if Britain stopped paying people to have children and went ahead with HS2, I'd support this. This is unlikely, given that some groups of people feel it is their 'right' to receive taxpayer's money to make them more comfortable in their chosen lifestyles. So, on balance, I'm still undecided, but wouldn't shed any tears if it were scrapped.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 21, 2019 19:01:54 GMT
if Britain stopped paying people to have children and went ahead with HS2, I'd support this. This is unlikely, given that some groups of people feel it is their 'right' to receive taxpayer's money to make them more comfortable in their chosen lifestyles. The Ricco and @gazza Dance:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 19:12:24 GMT
Teddington Lock? Actually doesn't look quite right might be another one.
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Post by lollygagger on Aug 21, 2019 19:18:59 GMT
HS2 is a great example of how two-faced our politicians are. All that money magically available to enable a few toffs to get from London to their holiday cottages for a weekend. Disgusting. you're totally wrong. Infrastructure promotes business along the line and at the ends of the line ...... always has ..... always will. and don't confuse it with just people movement. Goods movement by rail is limited at the moment by capacity ...... removing a percentage of the passenger traffic frees up spaces for freight. This in turn gets rid of some road traffic. Just how much freight moves between London and Birmingham anyway, that's a very specific single route - why not spend the money upgrading a whole load existing lines throughout the country and give everyone a shout?
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Post by bodger on Aug 21, 2019 19:19:39 GMT
let's be cynical for a moment. scrap HS2 and save £??80 billion. that'll pay for all Boris's 'election promises' that are being announced regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 19:32:36 GMT
let's be cynical for a moment. scrap HS2 and save £??80 billion. that'll pay for all Boris's 'election promises' that are being announced regularly. Why be cynical? Spot on. Anyway if I’m expected to chuck my engine out for burning 3 litres of diesel per day due to saving the planet, then Boris is right to put a stop to the carbon machine which is the so called ‘developed world”. ..and he declared to the Telegraph 10 years ago, he’s not s mason. Seems Ok to me.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 21, 2019 20:00:28 GMT
let's be cynical for a moment. scrap HS2 and save £??80 billion. that'll pay for all Boris's 'election promises' that are being announced regularly. "Cripes! Aliens!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 20:16:13 GMT
let's be cynical for a moment. scrap HS2 and save £??80 billion. that'll pay for all Boris's 'election promises' that are being announced regularly. "Cripes! Aliens!" Ok. Ross for PM. We need someone who listens and doesn’t talk shit.
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