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Post by bodger on Oct 13, 2019 13:49:10 GMT
Not so easy always to see videos on my phone, that one was hard to wind back/forward to the important bits. But I did think the plastic boat man talked like a plonker. I'd have used fruitier language. I still think the filming and his action was deliberately provocative. Well... there ya go... two fools. Stop being a knob. How can a video be provocative, it's a true record of the event. Steve didn't know he was being recorded. The narrowboat cut across that other cruiser, no appropriate horn signal for a start. It's obvious by his tiller movements he intended to ram the cruiser on the mooring. ahh !! you need to make allowances for The Knob - he tries to watch video evidence on a tiny screen and can't be bothered to watch it again to get a full picture of what actually happened; of course he is a wily fox who has to dash off into the undergrowth any time he feels challenged, so he may not have had time to watch it twice. poor fuxxy wuxxy. ......................... making an ass of himself as usual.
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Post by bodger on Oct 13, 2019 13:51:02 GMT
Giggle, that was too good an opportunity to miss. I followed it by quoting him, as posted on cwdf "Now let me spell this out for fear there should be any ambiguity. There is NO place for rudeness on the canal, there is NO place for canal rage, NO place for bad language. All this we would agree on. But there should be NO place for entitlement either. It doesn't matter how big your boat is, how much it cost you, how many decades you've been on the cut and how much more you know about canals than anyone else. Once you are afloat you are part of an egalitarian community in which, whoever you are, you have a right to the same treatment and respect as anyone else. And this means you have the responsibility to treat them as you'd wish to be treated." From an article he wrote for Canal Boat Magazine. May 2019. hoist by his own petard !
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Post by peterboat on Oct 13, 2019 13:52:34 GMT
Martin the only reason that the narrowboat was cutting across was to head for that gap, the cruiser ahead went around him and the cruiser doing the filming was going a lot faster so made the space first! Steve was wrong to ram the cruiser no doubt about that and unfortunately for Steve was filmed doing it. However on the Thames its normal for cruisers to jump in gaps like that in my experience on the Thames. For me on the Thames we used to set off early and finish early to get a space, otherwise you could cruise for miles with no joy All completely irrelevant when seen in the context of his subsequent actions. I've been 'beaten' to spaces on the Northern Waterways by faster and more nimble GRP boats and I may have passed with a sarcastic shout of 'thanks for that' as I pass but I would never have contemplated ramming them, especially so if Jan had been stood on the gunwales and at risk of being thrown off the boat come the impact. Clearly cant read Martin, exact words on my post you quoted, Steve was wrong to the ram the cruiser no doubt about that
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Post by Jim on Oct 13, 2019 13:54:47 GMT
With some obvious right wing tendencies, getting violent if he doesn't get his way. Yes, like I said, a typical Labour supporting Remoaner. No, no violence, we use words, more of us being highly educated.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 14:00:58 GMT
All completely irrelevant when seen in the context of his subsequent actions. I've been 'beaten' to spaces on the Northern Waterways by faster and more nimble GRP boats and I may have passed with a sarcastic shout of 'thanks for that' as I pass but I would never have contemplated ramming them, especially so if Jan had been stood on the gunwales and at risk of being thrown off the boat come the impact. Clearly cant read Martin, exact words on my post you quoted, Steve was wrong to the ram the cruiser no doubt about that Who can't read? I'm merely pointing out or clarifying if you like, that no matter what preceded the ramming there was absolutely no justification for it.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 13, 2019 14:02:35 GMT
Yes, like I said, a typical Labour supporting Remoaner. No, no violence, we use words, more of us being highly educated. A two week course at the Ronald McDonald Clown School learning how to juggle, wear oversized shoes and run around blowing a honk horn isn't "higher education".
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Post by bodger on Oct 13, 2019 14:05:05 GMT
train of Haywood thought:
"bastard hire boat is going to take that mooring space...... bloody interlopers..... all the same these bloody hirers..... I'll show him!
"not even his own boat so I'll scare the shit out of him even if it means denting his bloody plastic boat - let him explain that to the hire company...... here we go - keep on course, driving straight towards him ........ now, pretend to try to take avoiding action ............... whoops! BANG!! .... that'll learn you...... now I'll give him a piece of my mind.
"oh shit! he's filming me! better move on quick."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 14:09:45 GMT
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Post by thebfg on Oct 13, 2019 14:10:27 GMT
It was shocking. But not as shocking as his facebook page.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 13, 2019 14:16:07 GMT
Stop being a knob. How can a video be provocative, it's a true record of the event. Steve didn't know he was being recorded. The narrowboat cut across that other cruiser, no appropriate horn signal for a start. It's obvious by his tiller movements he intended to ram the cruiser on the mooring. of course he is a wily fox who has to dash off into the undergrowth Far into the undergrowth at the moment, watching the waves crash against the beach in sunny Paignton.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 14:48:43 GMT
I think DMR from CWDF needs a trip to spec savers. - Quote
"This forum can be very judgemental, I have spent a bit of time chatting to Steve and he appeared to be a decent and tolerant bloke.
My take on this:
He was obviously heading for the mooring space but the plastic boat ignored this and went in and "stole the spot".
Its hard to judge distances from the camera, in fact its pretty hard in real life, but Steve believed there was space for two boats. The plastic boat crept forward a bit more than he expected reducing the space but he still thought he would fit, this is why he steers more tightly in as its now a tighter gap, its only at the last minute that he realises he will not fit, either due to an easy error of judgement or because the plastic boat was still drifting forward, this is why he suddenly steers away (maybe he should have done hard reverse but its a trad engine with a big flywheel? so maybe he was right).
We had a very similar situation in the spring when we were heading downstream into a spot and a hire boat suddenly went for the same gap, it can be tricky.
edit to say....watch that video again with a more open mind"
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Post by bodger on Oct 13, 2019 15:09:22 GMT
I think DMR from CWDF needs a trip to spec savers. - Quote "This forum can be very judgemental, I have spent a bit of time chatting to Steve and he appeared to be a decent and tolerant bloke. My take on this:
He was obviously heading for the mooring space but the plastic boat ignored this and went in and "stole the spot".
Its hard to judge distances from the camera, in fact its pretty hard in real life, but Steve believed there was space for two boats. The plastic boat crept forward a bit more than he expected reducing the space but he still thought he would fit, this is why he steers more tightly in as its now a tighter gap, its only at the last minute that he realises he will not fit, either due to an easy error of judgement or because the plastic boat was still drifting forward, this is why he suddenly steers away (maybe he should have done hard reverse but its a trad engine with a big flywheel? so maybe he was right).
We had a very similar situation in the spring when we were heading downstream into a spot and a hire boat suddenly went for the same gap, it can be tricky.
edit to say....watch that video again with a more open mind" wot a load of bollox. I've watched it with open eyes, never mind an open mind, and have absolutely no doubt that Haywood knew the hire boat would occupy the space long before he would be in a position to moor. Furthermore the hire boat was clearly moving so as to moor up there, while Haywood was several boat lengths away, and his own course was not necessarily related to mooring at that location, if anywhere. If he really believed there was space for 2 boats then his reaction was quite out of place. such a 'decent bloke' would have drawn alongside the hire boat and politely suggested he move up a bit. He clearly drove directly at the hire boat without any intention of trying to get into a non-existent space, it was pure aggression and revenge. how he can compare the video with " a hire boat suddenly went for the same gap" beats me. There was nothing sudden about the hire boat's movements. ....... and why does he refer to a 'hire boat' as if they are a different, ignorant, subordinate breed?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 13, 2019 15:12:09 GMT
It seems a fair few complaints have been sent to the mag, would be interesting to find out how they respond. Personally I'd be delighted if he lost his job. Not just because of his actions; his response suggested an arrogance that's highly distasteful. Plus he has a horrible drawling southern accent. I realise that the last bit is a personal bias of mine but none of us are perfect, right?
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Post by Jim on Oct 13, 2019 15:53:10 GMT
No, no violence, we use words, more of us being highly educated. A two week course at the Ronald McDonald Clown School learning how to juggle, wear oversized shoes and run around blowing a honk horn isn't "higher education". No but the 3 years getting a teaching qualification does. And 2 years doing A levels. How many CSEs did you get?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 13, 2019 15:58:17 GMT
A two week course at the Ronald McDonald Clown School learning how to juggle, wear oversized shoes and run around blowing a honk horn isn't "higher education". No but the 3 years getting a teaching qualification does. And 2 years doing A levels. How many CSEs did you get? What's a CSE?
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