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Post by thebfg on Nov 10, 2019 15:26:26 GMT
I have worked with loads of young people over the past few years winter work as a 'christmas elf'. I suspect we were all shy, nervous, timid, clueless and insecure as teenagers but learned by example and with growing experience, blossomed. I believe it's entirely possible to forget that the skills we take for granted were 'learned behaviours' ... we none of us walked into the work place at 15 or 16 the finished article (21 or 22 in the case of the classicists amongst us  ). It's important that we strive to be as good teachers, mentors and examples as we were fortunate to experience in our 'spotty' youth. Rog Don't panic, we believe in promoting from within, we give every colleague the same tools to either further themselves or to become competent, I will always give time to show anyone how to do things and encourage my team to come and ask how to do things. This last week a lady has who has been here 19 years did not even know how to cash up. Within a week she is now happy and confident to cash up after closing, she sees is as something she can do well and help support us. I will always always lead by example there is no job in store I will not do and there is no job that only management can do. Saying that most don't even want to know. They have no interest they just want the wages come pay day |
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Post by Gone on Nov 10, 2019 16:00:26 GMT
As the young woman on gogglebox said - minimum wage then minimum work.
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Post by samsam on Nov 10, 2019 17:00:16 GMT
As the young woman on gogglebox said - minimum wage then minimum work. And minimum chance of ever getting further on in life. A disgraceful attitude, first one out of the door. Typical of today's idle products of the nanny state. |
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Post by samsam on Nov 10, 2019 17:03:22 GMT
As the young woman on gogglebox said - minimum wage then minimum work. |
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Post by thebfg on Nov 10, 2019 17:07:20 GMT
As the young woman on gogglebox said - minimum wage then minimum work. Were above that but I do hear it out of funny enough, young brits. I'm sure they don't realise that if they crack on they will get pay rises. It's as if they maybe an entitled generation. Expect someone to hand them a well paid job. If only they would realise that they either need to pass uni or work their way up. But they can't be bothered |
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Post by JohnV on Nov 10, 2019 17:27:02 GMT
somewhere, sometime, the work ethic seems to have gone missing
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Post by dyertribe on Nov 10, 2019 17:27:47 GMT
As the young woman on gogglebox said - minimum wage then minimum work. Were above that but I do hear it out of funny enough, young brits. I'm sure they don't realise that if they crack on they will get pay rises. It's as if they maybe an entitled generation. Expect someone to hand them a well paid job. If only they would realise that they either need to pass uni or work their way up. But they can't be bothered Passing Uni is only the beginning. My daughter is doing a degree in Advertising and Marketing and has a placement year next year. She has just secured a place with L’Oréal for 54 weeks in London on a salary of £20k for that year. The “interview” was a day-long affair consisting of a 20 min presentation on a case study, psychometric testing and a group exercise. Those that made it through that were given one to one interviews (less than half of the original number) and those that were successful were offered places 24hours later. This, in effect will be a year long interview with a few being offered permanent positions if they gain a good enough degree. She is under no illusion that this is a walk in the park and has been brought up in a home where it has been made obvious that the harder you work the luckier you are. |
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Post by bodger on Nov 10, 2019 19:03:59 GMT
Why couldn't you have just told him what bus it is? Not very helpful. Too be fair, I know that between me and a 22 year old, I know who will be quickest to go on-line, find the bus time table and then down load it. exactly. who would want a lad working with them who didn't even have the gumption to find out how to get to work? spoon feeding is what has killed ambition and initiative, which are the 2 qualities most valued in the workplace. |
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Post by bodger on Nov 10, 2019 19:09:25 GMT
the Lord helps those who help themselves. unless they are disabled those who don't aren't worth employing. I think there's nothing wrong with being helpful and providing as much info as you can to help new people get started. If I have another driver coming to drive my bus I'll at least leave at note telling what time and what day the bus was fuelled, and if there are any faults with it. which is all part of a normal handover process. nothing to do with initiative. I'm sure your company procedures require you to do exactly that - or if they don't then they should. you can't compare apples and oranges - well, actually, you can if you try but it just makes you appear to be a wally. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 10, 2019 19:13:30 GMT
As the young woman on gogglebox said - minimum wage then minimum work. It's as if they maybe an entitled generation. Expect someone to hand them a well paid job. If only they would realise that they either need to pass uni or work their way up.  Totally employable. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 10, 2019 19:20:40 GMT
I think there's nothing wrong with being helpful and providing as much info as you can to help new people get started. If I have another driver coming to drive my bus I'll at least leave at note telling what time and what day the bus was fuelled, and if there are any faults with it. which is all part of a normal handover process. nothing to do with initiative. I'm sure your company procedures require you to do exactly that - or if they don't then they should. No - that's just me. No-one else does it. The company I work for, like most companies, is not interested in suggestions - there are some simple improvements that could be made, such as access to all maintenance/servicing of the vehicles for the drivers via the Internet/application. Fuel amounts are entered into the bus's day book, but not the time or at what kilometers; whenever I swap buses I ask the other driver when was it tanked and are there any faults with it. First thing I did when I turned up at our garage 3.5 years ago was to tidy the whole place up and slap up a list on the wall telling where items are in alphabetical order, eg. alcohol-lock straws / tachograph discs / spare ticket machine rolls. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 10, 2019 19:25:10 GMT
As the young woman on gogglebox said - minimum wage then minimum work. In Communist Russia there used to be a workers' expression- "The State pretend to pay us, so we pretend to work". |
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 10, 2019 19:36:04 GMT
The yanks would say "Good enough for government work".
Lazy disinterested shirkers have been around for all time I think, I know I had to chuck a bunch off a job 30 years ago, 75% of my workforce.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 10, 2019 19:41:07 GMT
In my experience workers from Eastern Europe have a way better work ethic than people born in the UK. I'm an HGV agency driver and I've lost count of how many times I've worked for a company and someone in the office has said "We phoned the agency and told them not to send us any more eastern Europeans". I worked at a place about this time last year, and the Transport Manager (TM) was trying to give an EE driver a very simple instruction- something like "Collect a trailer from Northampton and bring it back here". The EE driver just couldn't understand this instruction at all and looked blankly and vacantly back, yet every time the TM said "Do you understand?" he enthusiastically replied "Yes, I understand!" which was obviously an answer to the question "Do you understand?" which he had learned by rote. It was like watching Manuel off of Fawlty Towers, by the end the poor TM was almost banging his head against the wall. The damage the EE's cause to the trucks is phenomenal, many companies won't employ them any more because the original wage savings were completely wiped out and then some by the following year's massively increased insurance premium. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 19:41:22 GMT
The rot started in the sixties.
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