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Post by Andyberg on May 6, 2020 0:39:28 GMT
So .... Over the last few months, virtually everywhere worldwide, people have lost lives, their loved ones or in many cases, their livelihoods. The lucky ones amongst us have merely had our lives put on hold.
This apparently, all happened because The Chinese Government were negligent in regulating the wet-markets to prevent zoonotic disease transmission, or possibly, Chinese biological experimentations leaking out of the labs in Wuhan, the Government has also been accused of suppressing medical staff who tried to alert the world to Covid-19.
So .... Should they pay for this in the form of compensation / aid or should it be a time for 'lessons learned' & move on?
Would you be willing to cut back on the flood of 'cheap tat' or make them pay via trade restrictions?
Another point...
With the apparent earliest case being in France in December, should the Chinese be held accountable at all?
Your thoughts?...
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 5:10:18 GMT
So .... Over the last few months, virtually everywhere worldwide, people have lost lives, their loved ones or in many cases, their livelihoods. The lucky ones amongst us have merely had our lives put on hold.
This apparently, all happened because The Chinese Government were negligent in regulating the wet-markets to prevent zoonotic disease transmission, or possibly, Chinese biological experimentations leaking out of the labs in Wuhan, the Government has also been accused of suppressing medical staff who tried to alert the world to Covid-19.
So .... Should they pay for this in the form of compensation / aid or should it be a time for 'lessons learned' & move on?
Would you be willing to cut back on the flood of 'cheap tat' or make them pay via trade restrictions?
Another point...
With the apparent earliest case being in France in December, should the Chinese be held accountable at all?
Your thoughts?...
On your last question, the man running the Icelandic genetic company deCode seems to be of the opinion that the virus has very early origins in this country. Certainly there are many I've met who believe Corona symptoms were around here around Nov - Dec but of course that's just hearsay. However I think it will be almost impossible to find out exactly how this particularly nasty strain of Coronavirus came from. I don't think anyone has really bothered to work out where previous strains came from. It may even just be natures way of trying to balance out the damage the human race has inflicted on mother earth. Who knows? On your other points, people will always jump on something like this to push their own agenda. Environmentalists, politicians, religious, anti religious, investors, elitists, conspiracy theorists, scientists, ludites, those pushing for compulsary vaccine (e.g Hancock/Boris), the media, litegationists (is that a word?), pub philosophers/psychologists (like me) etc. Sadly it's usually the innocent with no particular agenda who die and suffer in situations like this. The vulnerable and the stressed out key workers working around the clock to keep the rest of us going. Bit like in wartime really. Nothing changes does it?
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Post by JohnV on May 6, 2020 5:43:12 GMT
as regards the Icelandic company's claims, a lot of questions as I believe it has not been peer reviewed. Also that claimlooks rather weak when you look at the dates of Covid19 "peaks". According to that idea, I would have thought that the UK would have been very early and not as it has been, late.
Mainstream geneticists (by looking at the world wide distribution patterns of the mutations of the virus) pick the area to the North of Wuhan as probably being the original infection and not Wuhan itself.
Is it possible that the virus accidentally was released from the research lab that was studying these kind of viruses (No I don't believe that the lab is a secret Chinese Germ warfare installation as there was a publicly available report on its failings in standards and also the lead scientist was abroad at the time of the outbreak in Wuhan giving a talk on their research into viruses, to international virologists)
Although it seems that he is still popular in the US, Trump has handled the pandemic very clumsily and in an election run up, the blame game is the standard tactic. If he can convince his followers that the Chinese are to blame they might ignore his poor performance and re-elect him.
However from a world safety point of view his blaming of China and his leaving the WHO is very bad. I believe that this potentially is the gravest danger to come out of the pandemic.
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Post by Gone on May 6, 2020 15:42:16 GMT
So .... Should they pay for this in the form of compensation / aid or should it be a time for 'lessons learned' & move on?
Unfortunately ’lessons learned’ means very different things to different people. Example -
1). A pandemic will come from time to time, so have a plan and stocks of ppe 2). React quickly following the plan in 1 above 3.). Decide who you will blame as early as possible to keep the focus away from your ineptitude 4). If it starts in your county make sure you hide it properly so you don’t get blamed.
I would hope it would be 1&2 but sadly many politicians are naturally drawn to 3&4.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 6, 2020 16:15:27 GMT
There aren't any telephones in China.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 16:21:09 GMT
as regards the Icelandic company's claims, a lot of questions as I believe it has not been peer reviewed. Not weak at all. What do you think a 'peer' review involves when billions of pounds revolve around it?
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Post by JohnV on May 6, 2020 16:43:05 GMT
as regards the Icelandic company's claims, a lot of questions as I believe it has not been peer reviewed. Not weak at all. What do you think a 'peer' review involves when billions of pounds revolve around it? There is far more (and contradictory evidence) from geneticists (more than one research group) using the same techniques developed for research in human development (the method that has shown the relationship between Sapiens, Neanderthals, Denisovans and others). This is a well proven method so the burden of proof lies on the sole Icelandic researcher. without peer review that report must be treat with great caution.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 16:50:46 GMT
Not weak at all. What do you think a 'peer' review involves when billions of pounds revolve around it? There is far more (and contradictory evidence) from geneticists (more than one research group) using the same techniques developed for research in human development (the method that has shown the relationship between Sapiens, Neanderthals, Denisovans and others). This is a well proven method so the burden of proof lies on the sole Icelandic researcher. without peer review that report must be treat with great caution. What? Like the poor guys who 'disappeared' in China?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 17:00:40 GMT
Funny old life. Today we met a lovely lady on the tow path who mentioned how she was threatened by animal rights protesters (many years ago) by letter.
They threatened her kids and she had to give up her job.
I hope that's not where we are heading...
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Post by JohnV on May 6, 2020 17:16:42 GMT
There is far more (and contradictory evidence) from geneticists (more than one research group) using the same techniques developed for research in human development (the method that has shown the relationship between Sapiens, Neanderthals, Denisovans and others). This is a well proven method so the burden of proof lies on the sole Icelandic researcher. without peer review that report must be treat with great caution. What? Like the poor guys who 'disappeared' in China? How does that comment relate to my post ?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 17:20:31 GMT
Funny old life. Today we met a lovely lady on the tow path who mentioned how she was threatened by animal rights protesters (many years ago) by letter. They threatened her kids and she had to give up her job. I hope that's not where we are heading... What was her job? Maybe she was doing the old "let's heat up the floor under a monkey with a baby and see how long it takes before the adult monkey stands on the baby to protect themselves from the heat" type experiments. If she was just a general vivisectionist then yes it's a job some people do it.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 17:22:02 GMT
What? Like the poor guys who 'disappeared' in China? How does that comment relate to my post ? Singling out of individuals.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 17:25:19 GMT
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 6, 2020 17:27:31 GMT
You shouldn't expect the slopes to pay, to do so would likely be racist.
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Post by JohnV on May 6, 2020 17:29:24 GMT
How does that comment relate to my post ? Singling out of individuals. That still doesn't make any sense with relation to my post Any report from one individual or research lab that is not peer reviewed is suspect ..... fact. A report needs to be checked by other researchers to verify the techniques used are valid. That is the standard for any report from any scientific body what the hell has that got to do with singling out individuals ?...... or people disappearing in China ?
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