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Post by derek01 on May 6, 2020 17:29:35 GMT
The fact that the virus may or may not have originated in China for me is not the main issue. The proven fact that they have sold poor quality PPE and testing kits which were useless in an effort to boost their economy has wider implications for the whole world at this time.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 17:46:07 GMT
Singling out of individuals. That still doesn't make any sense with relation to my post Any report from one individual or research lab that is not peer reviewed is suspect ..... fact. A report needs to be checked by other researchers to verify the techniques used are valid. That is the standard for any report from any scientific body what the hell has that got to do with singling out individuals ?...... or people disappearing in China ? You're speaking as someone who won't answer questions or accept there is another side to the story. Now you're shifting context. Look John, (I hate that phrsse) ask me a question or give me a link to suit your agenda and I'll gladly put time into it.
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Post by peterboat on May 6, 2020 17:55:57 GMT
Its happened so nowt can be done by countries because it could start a war so collectively we are better off all refusing to buy PRC goods yes it will be painful but it will hurt China in the pocket and maybe cause a regime change there
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 18:06:07 GMT
Its happened so nowt can be done by countries because it could start a war so collectively we are better off all refusing to buy PRC goods yes it will be painful but it will hurt China in the pocket and maybe cause a regime change there You are forgetting the dilligaf factor. Also, regime changes are a bit like a cheese souffle. They have a habit of not turning out like you hope they will.
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Post by JohnV on May 6, 2020 18:07:13 GMT
That still doesn't make any sense with relation to my post Any report from one individual or research lab that is not peer reviewed is suspect ..... fact. A report needs to be checked by other researchers to verify the techniques used are valid. That is the standard for any report from any scientific body what the hell has that got to do with singling out individuals ?...... or people disappearing in China ? You're speaking as someone who won't answer questions or accept there is another side to the story. Now you're shifting context. Look John, (I hate that phrsse) ask me a question or give me a link to suit your agenda and I'll gladly put time into it. No. .................. I made a single statement in my first post that the Icelandic report had not been peer reviewed this is a fact ..... not an agendaI also made the comment that if it was correct then why was the UK's peak not very early in the pandemic (instead of late as it actually is) my opinion and a question. I don't have an agenda, I have pointed out what I see as flaws in the basis of your view. You are the one who seems to be unable to accept the standard requirement of a peer review before any scientific report be accepted as proven Introducing odd replies such, that peer review is about money or involves the disappearance of people or the singling out of individuals, none of that has anything to do with my post I don't have an agenda apart from trying to view the facts, as best are known, logically
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 18:25:00 GMT
You're speaking as someone who won't answer questions or accept there is another side to the story. Now you're shifting context. Look John, (I hate that phrsse) ask me a question or give me a link to suit your agenda and I'll gladly put time into it. No. .................. I made a single statement in my first post that the Icelandic report had not been peer reviewed this is a fact ..... not an agendaI also made the comment that if it was correct then why was the UK's peak not very early in the pandemic (instead of late as it actually is) my opinion and a question. I don't have an agenda, I have pointed out what I see as flaws in the basis of your view. You are the one who seems to be unable to accept the standard requirement of peer review before the acceptance of any scientific report to be accepted as proven Introducing odd replies such, that peer review is about money or involves the disappearance of people or the singling out of individuals, none of that has anything to do with my post I don't have an agenda apart from trying to view the facts, as best are known, logically I do accept the concept of the peer review. But in practice how many people have been threatened with their jobs or even children for not complying? Not always by the those in power, sometimes those just trying to get on with an agenda.
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Post by JohnV on May 6, 2020 18:31:30 GMT
No. .................. I made a single statement in my first post that the Icelandic report had not been peer reviewed this is a fact ..... not an agendaI also made the comment that if it was correct then why was the UK's peak not very early in the pandemic (instead of late as it actually is) my opinion and a question. I don't have an agenda, I have pointed out what I see as flaws in the basis of your view. You are the one who seems to be unable to accept the standard requirement of peer review before the acceptance of any scientific report to be accepted as proven Introducing odd replies such, that peer review is about money or involves the disappearance of people or the singling out of individuals, none of that has anything to do with my post I don't have an agenda apart from trying to view the facts, as best are known, logically I do accept the concept of the peer review. But in practice how many people have been threatened with their jobs or even children for not complying? Not always by the those in power, sometimes those just trying to get on with an agenda. I don't think that a likely scenario when you are dealing with many research groups, in many countries, all with different policies and ideologies. Would agree with you if all the research was in one country or one political block, but not otherwise
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 18:42:51 GMT
I do accept the concept of the peer review. But in practice how many people have been threatened with their jobs or even children for not complying? Not always by the those in power, sometimes those just trying to get on with an agenda. I don't think that a likely scenario when you are dealing with many research groups, in many countries, all with different policies and ideologies. Would agree with you if all the research was in one country or one political block, but not otherwise I'd agree with you when it comes to scientific research, sadly politics and the money driving it might show otherwise You've got a lot more trust in authority than me John, fair play
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Post by lollygagger on May 6, 2020 19:04:01 GMT
Without peer review scientific publication would be like false news farcebook. Where do politics come into scientific peer review? It's a factual thing, opinions don't come into it.
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Post by thebfg on May 9, 2020 1:27:03 GMT
With the growing consensus that many people had symptoms late last year or early this year, I do wonder if this started a lot earlier but it got to big for China to keep quiet about.and they had to finally tell the world.
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Post by JohnV on May 9, 2020 5:36:40 GMT
With the growing consensus that many people had symptoms late last year or early this year, I do wonder if this started a lot earlier but it got to big for China to keep quiet about.and they had to finally tell the world. a growing consensus means nothing when there is no evidence. If there had been people with corona virus last year in the UK, as the infection rate is exponential, large number of elderly people would have been dropping like flies in the New Year. People going down with flu like symptoms at the end of last year were ....... probably going down with flu.
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Post by bodger on May 9, 2020 6:50:33 GMT
So .... Over the last few months, virtually everywhere worldwide, people have lost lives, their loved ones or in many cases, their livelihoods. The lucky ones amongst us have merely had our lives put on hold.
I just hate sentences that begin with "so".
'So' in such a context means 'therefore' - it seems to be a fashionable trend to start every statement or reply with this silly little word in a totally inappropriate manner.
yours,
a grumpy old reactionary,
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Post by quaysider on May 9, 2020 7:33:46 GMT
I have to admit, I quite often begin a 'blog' posting with "So"... it just sort of works and acts to infer the conversation is continuing from my last missive/load of trite.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 7:58:21 GMT
Like, totally, and literally have become socially acceptable oral tics ... they sound a little better than erms, and errs.
We have a friend who, when deep in conversation, continually uses the phrase "you know what I mean?"
I tend to find these tics are only annoying when overheard ... involved in the conversation we seem to filter them out.
Rog
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Post by lollygagger on May 9, 2020 8:07:19 GMT
I, like totally blame those 'mericans, decades ahead as usual. Moon Zappa was taking the Mick 40 years ago while we were still speaking proper. It does seem to be a lady thing along with trying to speak an octive lower than is natural. Genius.
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