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Post by kris on Jan 12, 2018 15:47:30 GMT
It's difficult to know exactly what to say about this ongoing debacle it's difficult to believe in this day and age that it was possible for the owner of a ship to be deprived of possession of said vessal without going to court. As for the privateer that is mr beacham, what an oputunisric greedy Person he seems to be. At least it has been the final nail in the coffin of shantell seaborne. Good riddance to her. Let's hope that this fiasco takes more victims from the people responsible. At the end of the day ultimate responsibility must be with the ceo. So step up mr parry and sort this mess out. He hasn't got the time to do something about it at the moment (or ever), as he's much too busy selling of property of C&RT to have lots of money coming in to make it look as if he's doing well for the sake of C&RT, and because of that he will be entitled to a huge bonus. People like him can't do wrong, they would get away with murder, and possibly even receive a medal for it too, like now with the slowly- but very surely killing of the survival of the UK waterways for which he's responsible. Peter. Yes it's sad Peter what is happening to the waterways this side of the channel. Their future depends on the actions of boaters really if we want them to survive as a network then we are having to get actively involved in ensuring their survival.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 18:08:54 GMT
I just heard that the long overdue stoppage at actons lock on the Regents canal is cancelled. While this could be seen as good news it is in fact bad news because the reason for the stoppage was to repair a broken lower gate paddle and sort out a massive lowr gate mitre leak and a significant upper gate cill leak. I did a test on this lock a while ago and it does lose a lot of water whether full or empty regardless of whether the gates are left open or closed.
All a bit disappointing but I am in the process of buying a 100m superyacht which will be situated in the caribbean so I am not too worried. Jet surfboards? They are SO old fashioned !
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 12, 2018 19:13:58 GMT
Another insight here to the 'Bizzare world of Steve Beacham'. This is an e-mail he sent to a prospective buyer on 1 Dec 2017, who had previously declined to buy "Planet" when it was being advertised for sale by CBS, after taking advice about the legality of C&RT seizing it and taking it away from Liverpool and it's owner without authority from a Court to do so.
The prospective buyer had asked Beacham to clarify the current position with regard to ownership of the vessel, and/or any other unresolved matters which could affect the sale. This was the answer he got (noteworthy parts in bold and enlarged) :-
Dear Mr Xxxxx,
Firstly may I apologise for not responding immediately, the reason for which is we are very busy and selling of craft is not our core business and secondly is caution, the content of your emails can be read as very direct/abrupt.
I have also a record of speaking with you before where there was confusion caused by you which place as associated with the previous owner and as you say his “bloody minded” representative (can't imagine who that is !), further noting that you seem to know an awful lot about the goings on with the previous owner, Commercial boat services and CRT.
You further add that I wish to carry out everything verbally and add “off the record” I advise now that I have never mentioned “off the road”, have nothing to hide, the reason for talking is to understand who I am dealing with and to gauge whether we go forward from that point, which none of the other potential buyers have had a problem with.
I now advise in response to some of your questions.
I have a legal and binding “Bill of sale” there are no disputes over our ownership the ship is up for sale, for reasons previously advised, the ship is not advertised for sale on any web sites or agents selling sites, as we have no need to do so, as we have received enough enquiries from interested parties, noting four very interested parties currently all have a berth or mooring available for the ship to go to should they complete on the purchase. I would also advise that we have a couple of different prices agreed with these potential buyers due to their different requirements i.e. costs/purchase price (offered by the potential buyers), discounted due to the volumes of work required/they wish to be done prior to towing away.
I further advise that I don’t have a copy of the fit for tow survey as one I wold not need it secondly I did not purchase or pay for the survey, I may be able to get a copy to assist, however a new fit for tow survey would be required as you are probably aware.
I have requested costs from Griffin Towage for several tow cost to different destinations, so would advise, these people can assist you for a price for tow, you will also need to factor in a fit for tow survey cost and insurance for the vessel to be towed.
To place you in the picture we would prefer you to make an offer, the vessel would once purchased have to be moved swiftly as she is lay in a commercial port against a commercial costed layby berth which we are paying considerably for, so as we advised one of the potential buyers, there is not a mooring even temporary available with the vessel and further as advised if we do not secure a purchase soon (end of December) prices discussed will have to increase by the value of the layby berth per week, this is currently £500.00 per week, (which we are currently paying) along with licence and insurance as part of the conditions of her being where she is.
Noting we would offer to secure one month’s charges for being on the quay wall without cost to the new owner to assist relocating.
I further have to advise that the port will not accept any private owners of non-commercial vessels, to hire lay by berth, as they are not interested and any access to the vessel would have to be agreed and escorted due to the security level status within the UKs commercial ports, this you do not have to take my word for and can approach the port yourself should you feel the need to check. So as said, nothing to hide, no legal disputes, bill of sale in my possession.
We will consider the best offer noting, not solely based on the monetary value, but the fastest to complete.
We trust the enclosed meets with your approval, but should you require any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me at any time.
Best Regards
Stephen Beacham Operations Director For and on Behalf of Sharpness Shipyard & Drydock Ltd __________________________________________________
Having accepted Beacham's assurances the interested party then made him an opening offer for the ship. Here' an extract from the prospective buyer's reply :-
" . . . . . . . . Moving on to buying and taking delivery of the ship, we will be looking to complete and get "Planet" round to the East coast as quickly as possible. As a starting offer we consider the £100,000 that CBS were asking on the Boats and Outboards website to be a fair one but would ask for the cost of any re-closing/sealing of vents, openings and any internal subdivision that has been opened up since the ship has been in Sharpness to be included in that price. We would not be requiring any work other than this to be undertaken at Sharpness. . . . . . . . . " __________________________________________________
The offer was subsequently withdrawn solely due to the ongoing dispute over the ship, and for no other reason, . . . . a fact that the wretched Mr Beacham, self-styled savoiur of historic ships, appears loath to recognize in the e-mailed letter he sent to Alan Roberts on 10 Jan 2018 :-
Date: 10 January 2018 at 12:40:40 GMT Subject: RE: Planetbarlightship “Without Prejudice”
Mr Roberts,
Whilst I appreciate your email tells me that Mr Dunkeley, is acting on your behalf, I advise as previous, the vessel you refer to was purchased by ourselves from canal and river trust, it is nothing to do with sharpness dock, other than it is floating in their port and we pay them for it to be at that location. You will not get anywhere by approaching these people, also I have now seen all the paperwork relevant to the ship and we are satisfied it is correct for our purpose, as said to Mr Dunkeley, your issue is not with us but with Canal and River Trust, therefor I would advise for you to concentrate your efforts in their direction and not ours, we cannot and will not waste anymore time or money on dealing with this, with reference to the sale of the vessel, that again is our business and not anyone elses, however all potential sales that would have placed the ship back in Liverpool are lost, we are now looking at other options and one of those options to look at will include the scrapping of the vessel, which was not our intention when we decided to purchase the vessel, but any residual value has been destroyed by the bad publicity and no one is interested in the ship now. So to finish, you need to sort matters with CandRT, that is final.
Yours sincerely, Steve Beacham For and on behalf of Sharpness shipyard and Drydock Ltd.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 20:18:48 GMT
Would you be able to put forward an offer to buy the vessel for use as a Thunderboat clubhouse ship / boat? I don't know if anyone else other than me has stupid amounts of spare cash but if so then it could be an option. If we could buy the boat off the current "owner" then it would increase the fraudulent aspect of it and all the people involved in illegal shenanigans could be dealt with. And I'm sure the rightful owner of the vessel would be happy to allow the members of TB to use the boat as a BAR lightship
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 12, 2018 20:20:30 GMT
Should these communications be sent to local newspapers? Isn't it time for the Gloucestershire Police to go and check the paperwork? Steve Beacham - did he not promise to be -'restoring' Planet? Got your message about Private Eye, thanks Ross. I'll be very surprised if Beacham does comply with our request for copies of C&RT's bogus BoS and whatever other paperwork they've provided him with, and if he doesn't do so then it will be the police who'll be asking for it next. We've got an incident/ref. number from Gloucestershire Police from when we reported the theft of "Planet" to them and Alan R went down to Sharpness to try to board and re-possess the ship on 23 April 2017. Their whole attitude and approach to the theft report couldn't have been more different from the crap we got from the Liverpool plod, and they were prepared to open an investigation into the reported theft back then, but couldn't proceed with it because the ship was stolen out of their area, in Liverpool. Thankfully, with the situation changing to AR's advantage, we can now report Beacham to Gloucestershire Police, not for theft, but for handling, and attempting to sell, stolen property/goods within their jurisdiction/area.
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Post by Phil on Jan 12, 2018 20:25:39 GMT
This is better than watching the Christmas editions of Eastenders or Coronation Street for entertainment value. It seems to me that the real legal owner and his representative have done a good job of preventing the onward sale of their stolen ship, and that the current holder of said vessel is running out of options, and paying for the privilege. I do hope that as indicated in several emails, that a so called bill of sale has been produced, and that the legal owners do manage to get hold of a copy. The reason is this would amount to physical evidence of a crime, and I am somewhat surprised that the local police have not been along to seize said document before it is conveniently lost or misplaced. Wouldn't it be funny if this so called document had shoosmiths and CRT fingerprints all over it.
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Post by Graham on Jan 13, 2018 2:42:01 GMT
Another insight here to the 'Bizzare world of Steve Beacham'. This is an e-mail he sent to a prospective buyer on 1 Dec 2017, who had previously declined to buy "Planet" when it was being advertised for sale by CBS, after taking advice about the legality of C&RT seizing it and taking it away from Liverpool and it's owner without authority from a Court to do so.The offer was subsequently withdrawn solely due to the ongoing dispute over the ship, and for no other reason, . . . . a fact that the wretched Mr Beacham, self-styled savoiur of historic ships, appears loath to recognize in the e-mailed letter he sent to Alan Roberts on 10 Jan 2018 :- Date: 10 January 2018 at 12:40:40 GMT Subject: RE: Planetbarlightship “Without Prejudice” Mr Roberts,
Whilst I appreciate your email tells me that Mr Dunkeley, is acting on your behalf, I advise as previous, the vessel you refer to was purchased by ourselves from canal and river trust, it is nothing to do with sharpness dock, other than it is floating in their port and we pay them for it to be at that location. You will not get anywhere by approaching these people, also I have now seen all the paperwork relevant to the ship and we are satisfied it is correct for our purpose, as said to Mr Dunkeley, your issue is not with us but with Canal and River Trust, therefor I would advise for you to concentrate your efforts in their direction and not ours, we cannot and will not waste anymore time or money on dealing with this, with reference to the sale of the vessel, that again is our business and not anyone elses, however all potential sales that would have placed the ship back in Liverpool are lost, we are now looking at other options and one of those options to look at will include the scrapping of the vessel, which was not our intention when we decided to purchase the vessel, but any residual value has been destroyed by the bad publicity and no one is interested in the ship now. So to finish, you need to sort matters with CandRT, that is final.
Yours sincerely, Steve Beacham For and on behalf of Sharpness shipyard and Drydock Ltd. Interesting that he sent that email under the alleged protection of "Without Prejudice". No my understanding is that for that to be effective and bar its disclosure to the Court as a part of a party's case against the writer would be that it has to be written as an attempt to find a way to an Offer/agreement/solution. I cannot find anything of that nature in the email. Rather there is a major, to my mind, threat to scrap the vessel if the owner continues his attempts to recover it. I suspect a Judge would admit it as evidence as an ordinary unprotected communication. A lot of people make the mistake thinking that just putting "Without Prejudice" on a communication bars it from being produced in Court at a later date to prove Be interested in the views of others who have dabbled in this area of Law. Maybe this would be of interest to some; www.landmarkchambers.co.uk/userfiles/documents/resources/Nicholls%20Without%20Prejudice%20paper.pdf
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Post by thebfg on Jan 13, 2018 10:34:01 GMT
We not allowed to pontificate.
So here's some fact.
The starting point is that there must be a bona fide attempt to resolve a dispute. If not, then the without prejudice rule is not engaged,
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 13, 2018 11:29:08 GMT
This is better than watching the Christmas editions of Eastenders or Coronation Street for entertainment value. It seems to me that the real legal owner and his representative have done a good job of preventing the onward sale of their stolen ship, and that the current holder of said vessel is running out of options, and paying for the privilege. I do hope that as indicated in several emails, that a so called bill of sale has been produced, and that the legal owners do manage to get hold of a copy. The reason is this would amount to physical evidence of a crime, and I am somewhat surprised that the local police have not been along to seize said document before it is conveniently lost or misplaced. Wouldn't it be funny if this so called document had shoosmiths and CRT fingerprints all over it. The charming Mr Beacham has been fairly specific about the paperwork he holds for the ship. This from a 2 December 2017 e-mail to a prospective buyer :- Steve Beacham <stevebeacham@sharpnessshipyard.com> 12/02/17 at 3:01 PM
Dear Mr Xxxxx,
Okay, very informative and falls in line with what we are aware of, to assist, I will advise that we are in possession of copy papers from the courts, along with an agreement to purchase which we signed and a bill of sale signed and with company seal from CandRT, showing that we are the owners and possess transfer 64/64 shares in the ship and that they are free from encumbrances. . . . . . .
______________________________________________________ I'm fairly sure that during the latter part of 2017 C&RT began to believe that the ship's owner had pretty much given up on ever getting his ship back and provided Beacham with some convincing looking, but nonetheless fraudulent or irrelevant paperwork in the hope that he would be able to sell "Planet" on quietly, without advertising it as CBS did, and thus finally dispose of the massive problem they created for themselves when, prior to towing it to Sharpness, they sent their bogus 'bailiffs' along to Liverpool's Canning Dock to steal "Planet" on the morning of 19 September 2016. With so many verifiable, written references made to this paperwork and Bill of Sale, I'm inclined to think that any attempts made now, or in the future, to deny it's existence would in fact be seriously damaging to the Beacham/C&RT cause. Following on from the period of studied inaction and silence over the last few months, we recently swapped the focus of attention/attack from C&RT to Beacham in the hope that he would prove to be their Achilles heel, and, I'm pleased to say, it's worked a treat. With regard to the 'copy papers from the courts' that Beacham refers to in the above e-mail extract, these are irrelevant and have no real bearing on the matter. We do in fact know precisely what they are and as far as having any effect on title/ownership and/or any right to sell the ship, they don't amount to a row of beans. They are the Order lifting the Injunction preventing C&RT from selling the ship, together with the Judge's explanatory notes, from the 19 December 2016 High Court hearing at Chester. We've got two sets of them, the originals from the Court and a set of copies we got in January of last year from a gullible moron who handles the sales and disposals of stolen boats, and Lightships, for Commercial Boat Services on behalf of C&RT.
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Post by thebfg on Jan 13, 2018 12:53:59 GMT
You don't really think he pays anything so you?
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Post by Phil on Jan 13, 2018 13:12:35 GMT
This is better than watching the Christmas editions of Eastenders or Coronation Street for entertainment value. It seems to me that the real legal owner and his representative have done a good job of preventing the onward sale of their stolen ship, and that the current holder of said vessel is running out of options, and paying for the privilege. I do hope that as indicated in several emails, that a so called bill of sale has been produced, and that the legal owners do manage to get hold of a copy. The reason is this would amount to physical evidence of a crime, and I am somewhat surprised that the local police have not been along to seize said document before it is conveniently lost or misplaced. Wouldn't it be funny if this so called document had shoosmiths and CRT fingerprints all over it. The charming Mr Beacham has been fairly specific about the paperwork he holds for the ship. This from a 2 December 2017 e-mail to a prospective buyer :- Steve Beacham <stevebeacham@sharpnessshipyard.com> 12/02/17 at 3:01 PM
Dear Mr Xxxxx,
Okay, very informative and falls in line with what we are aware of, to assist, I will advise that we are in possession of copy papers from the courts, along with an agreement to purchase which we signed and a bill of sale signed and with company seal from CandRT, showing that we are the owners and possess transfer 64/64 shares in the ship and that they are free from encumbrances. . . . . . .
______________________________________________________ I'm fairly sure that during the latter part of 2017 C&RT began to believe that the ship's owner had pretty much given up on ever getting his ship back and provided Beacham with some convincing looking, but nonetheless fraudulent or irrelevant paperwork in the hope that he would be able to sell "Planet" on quietly, without advertising it as CBS did, and thus finally dispose of the massive problem they created for themselves when, prior to towing it to Sharpness, they sent their bogus 'bailiffs' along to Liverpool's Canning Dock to steal "Planet" on the morning of 19 September 2016. With so many verifiable, written references made to this paperwork and Bill of Sale, I'm inclined to think that any attempts made now, or in the future, to deny it's existence would in fact be seriously damaging to the Beacham/C&RT cause. Following on from the period of studied inaction and silence over the last few months, we recently swapped the focus of attention/attack from C&RT to Beacham in the hope that he would prove to be their Achilles heel, and, I'm pleased to say, it's worked a treat. With regard to the 'copy papers from the courts' that Beacham refers to in the above e-mail extract, these are irrelevant and have no real bearing on the matter. We do in fact know precisely what they are and as far as having any effect on title/ownership and/or any right to sell the ship, they don't amount to a row of beans. They are the Order lifting the Injunction preventing C&RT from selling the ship, together with the Judge's explanatory notes, from the 19 December 2016 High Court hearing at Chester. We've got two sets of them, the originals from the Court and a set of copies we got in January of last year from a gullible moron who handles the sales and disposals of stolen boats, and Lightships, for Commercial Boat Services on behalf of C&RT. It just gets better and better. I think your tactic of switching from CRT to Beacham was a good move. It is far easier to go after an individual rather that a corporate entity that can bamboozle for years with solicitors and deep pockets of other people's money. Perhaps though when the individual falls he won't want to go alone and that is when the instigators will start to panic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 13:17:47 GMT
I find it difficult to believe he's paying 500 a week for mooring. If this is true, he has to be the most stupid investor I have ever come across. I've no idea what the scrap value of the ship is, but his initial outlay, and now mooring fees + security have pretty much left the vessel worthless.
What a tosser. CRT had him over a good un 😂
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 13, 2018 13:37:13 GMT
A few more thoughts on this quote from St Steven of Sharp practices Sharpness :-
". . . . . I will advise that we are in possession of copy papers from the courts, along with an agreement to purchase which we signed and a bill of sale signed and with company seal from CandRT, showing that we are the owners and possess transfer 64/64 shares in the ship and that they are free from encumbrances. . . . . . ."
It doesn't do to indulge in too much speculation as to what's going on behind the scenes, but I would guess that C&RT, or more specifically those who have put their names to this fraudulent Bill of Sale, would prefer that it was kept under wraps and that they're quite probably having kittens right now about the possibility of it being made publicly and generally available.
As I see it, there are only two possible ways that C&RT and Beacham can go. Between them they could agree to suppress and bury it, which would leave Beacham a very long way up shitcreek and open to criminal prosecution as a knowing handler/seller of stolen property, or they can allow him to provide the rightful owner of "Planet" with a copy and make themselves even more vulnerable than they already are to criminal charges of theft and fraud. It will be interesting to see which way they do jump, but I suspect that the decision has already been made and Beacham has been instructed by C&RT to sit on it, or possibly even to return to them so it can be destroyed.
Their past relationship, going back to BW days, seems to have been similarly cosy to the current one with Criminal Commercial Boat Services, as is evident in the following somewhat nauseating e-mail that Beacham sent to the same prospective buyer of "Planet" on 4 Dec 2017. The highlighted and enlarged wording is very revealing as to the mindset, motives and intentions behind BW/C&RT's love and enthusiasm for depriving people of their boats, or Lightships. The reference to the "Bailiff Team" is particularly indicative of the deluded nature of BW/C&RT thinking, their fondness for and addiction to any sort of self-conferred powers that take their fancy, and their readiness to abuse and exceed the statutory powers they do have :-
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 at 1:14 PM From: "Steve Beacham" <stevebeacham@sharpnessshipyard.com> Subject: Re: "Planet" Lightship
Okay, Xxxxxx,
I was wondering where you were thinking of in Boston as we have been working in that area assisting contracts in relation to the flood defences, a lot of work going on up there and planned, I know the main port pretty well as we work for them as well and our company annual outings have included Skegness stopping off normally at Boston for a pub lunch.
Further to that we have had no hassle, from the previous owner or his “pretend lawyer” who appears just to have an inherent hatred for C and RT, anyway there has been no challenges over our ownership, which I made public to the BBC in Liverpool, all the interest received appears to be positive as the vessel has been saved from the Scrapman.
As previously advised I have worked for British waterways prior to them becoming a trust and worked with the bailiff team to remove craft from the waterways and whilst not the most pleasant job at times, we were bought in for our expertise to relocate and lift, we would then store the craft or until such time that the process completed allowing them to sell or destroy the boat, many were sold and many were destroyed and a few went back to there owners if all debts were cleared. The only condition I saw in the selling process is no BW employees or ourselves were allowed to purchase.
The rules were very strict.
On this occasion as CBS has the contract for the service I.e. boat seizure and brokerage we were free and clear to purchase, without any debts attached as this remains with the previous owner.
We are free and clear to sell the vessel again which is free and clear of any encumbrances.
Currently as said our purpose for sale is completely down to time and cost, we don’t have the time to convert and the lay-by berth is costing.
We also do not wish the vessel to deteriorate, at present we have not removed any of her trinkets of which there are many. As I dream these as part of the ship, although I cannot find the ships bell only a small one as you enter the vessel.
The only thing I am trying to track currently since you and I have been in communication, is if she has been registered anywhere so far I have had no results, it also appears Mr Roberts did not register the ship.
In the meantime i am going to proceed with selling of the vessel and do hope that this will be yourselves or someone with similar good intentions.
Best regards Steve Beacham Sent from my iPhone
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Post by bargemast on Jan 13, 2018 13:54:42 GMT
Steve Beachan, C&RT and Shoepiss are clearly a well oiled team of crooks and very experienced boat thieves.
I do hope that there will be a lot of sharp sand in their oil this time, and that their smelly practices will come to an abrupt halt.
It would be good if an honest judge (if someone like that still exist) will make them pay a fortune to compensate for all the time Alan Roberts has been most dishonestly deprived of his ship, and that "Planet" can return to the mooring in Liverpool.
Peter.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 13, 2018 13:58:32 GMT
£500/week is a whopping sum just to have a boat parked up on a bit of water, Mr Beacham must have an astronomical salary... Have the other owners of Sharpness Shipyard been notified that the whole world is looking at this business and tut-tutting? That ridiculous weekly berthing charge has been amusing me too. The berthing fees that C&RT were trying to con Alan Roberts into paying via their so-called 'Schedule of Costs' came to £5520 for 6 months, which equates to £211.74 / week.
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