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Post by Phil on Jan 14, 2018 15:17:32 GMT
So are Gloucester police currently investigating 'someone handling stolen goods' ? Not yet, . . Beacham has got until close of business on Monday (15 January 2018) to produce a copy of the fraudulent Bill of Sale, copies of any other form of relevant documentation and/or agreement(s) provided by C&RT and/or Shoosmiths, and to come up with some positive, workable proposal for returning "Planet" to Liverpool and it's rightful owner, Alan Roberts. Just be a little shrewd about this, as the law does not allow for a victim to negotiate with a criminal. It is either a crime or a civil dispute.
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Post by thebfg on Jan 14, 2018 20:34:40 GMT
Not yet, . . Beacham has got until close of business on Monday (15 January 2018) to produce a copy of the fraudulent Bill of Sale, copies of any other form of relevant documentation and/or agreement(s) provided by C&RT and/or Shoosmiths, and to come up with some positive, workable proposal for returning "Planet" to Liverpool and it's rightful owner, Alan Roberts. Just be a little shrewd about this, as the law does not allow for a victim to negotiate with a criminal. It is either a crime or a civil dispute.Β I sent restorative justice negotiation between the criminal and the victim?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 15, 2018 8:00:31 GMT
Not yet, . . Beacham has got until close of business on Monday (15 January 2018) to produce a copy of the fraudulent Bill of Sale, copies of any other form of relevant documentation and/or agreement(s) provided by C&RT and/or Shoosmiths, and to come up with some positive, workable proposal for returning "Planet" to Liverpool and it's rightful owner, Alan Roberts. Just be a little shrewd about this, as the law does not allow for a victim to negotiate with a criminal. It is either a crime or a civil dispute. Yes, . . coming to the right decision about which options to keep open and available, and which ones to trade-off for other, better ones, is not at all a straightforward exercise, especially in a matter as convoluted as this. If, as we now believe, C&RT are trying to distance themselves from their part in the process of permanently depriving Alan Roberts of his ship, and to leave Beacham on his own to face the repercussions from the mess they've created, then having him turning against them and providing some really powerful evidence of criminal intent, or acts, on the part of C&RT would be a worthwhile trade-off in return for giving up being able to initiate, or pursue, a criminal action against him. Were Alan Roberts to be left with only the option of a civil action against Beacham for his part in all this, then he would almost certainly turn out to be a softer, easier target than C&RT with Shoosmiths acting for them.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 15, 2018 8:24:15 GMT
Just be a little shrewd about this, as the law does not allow for a victim to negotiate with a criminal. It is either a crime or a civil dispute. I sent restorative justice negotiation between the criminal and the victim? No, . . far from it. Alan Roberts is in fact simply taking a leaf out of the C&RT/Shoosmiths 'book' and being as ruthless and uncompromising as they are themselves when dishing out their favoured forms treatment to their selected victims from the boat owning community, of which of course, Alan Roberts is only one in a long line of people whose lives have been irreparably marred by being unlawfully deprived of the most valuable asset they own.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 15, 2018 9:16:45 GMT
Looking back again through all the correspondence between Beacham and a prospective buyer of "Planet" I'm left wondering why, and how, the (to quote Beacham himself) "bad publicity" (and from other correspondence - "harassment") of being asked for copies of the Bill of Sale he speaks of in para. 1 and any other fraudulent and/or worthless paperwork in his possession has brought the wretched man from this :-
Steve Beacham <stevebeacham@sharpnessshipyard.com> 12/02/17 at 3:01 PM
Dear Mr Xxxxxxx,
Okay, very informative and falls in line with what we are aware of, to assist, I will advise that we are in possession of copy papers from the courts, along with an agreement to purchase which we signed and a bill of sale signed and with company seal from CandRT, showing that we are the owners and possess transfer 64/64 shares in the ship and that they are free from encumbrances.
We would like to know if you are prepared to advise what your intentions are with the vessel, as I agreed to the purchase, with one condition applied (as I insisted that the vessel should not be sold for scrap), I was then also placed with the same conditions I.e. that the vessel would not be scrapped whilst in my possession.
My intention was to refurbish her with the view of her going back to, Liverpool, but not in the same dock, or to convert her to a masted static training ship and hub for a sailing/yacht club, both the locations were organised for her to go to and remain so, but the funders are delayed with projects they are currently dealing with, which will not complete until mid to late next year, which is too long for us to wait due to costs running in relation to the costs advised previously, since then, speaking to BBC Merseyside in two separate interviews, other interested parties have come forward, this is where I am now.
If as I now believe your enquiries are genuine, (noting this is not said to offend) as long as she was not going to scrap, then I am interested to discuss further, I would not have a problem in resealing the vessel as was when she arrived and including this in the sale price, noting not all has been disturbed, doors mainly have been opened.
I trust this assists and look forward to your most favourable reply.
Best regards Steve Beacham Sent from my iPhone ______________________________________________________
To this (in the space of a little over 5 weeks) :-
From: "Steve Beacham" <stevebeacham@sharpnessshipyard.com> Date: 10 January 2018 at 12:40:40 GMT Subject: RE: Planetbarlightship βWithout Prejudiceβ
Mr Roberts,
Whilst I appreciate your email tells me that Mr Dunkeley, is acting on your behalf, I advise as previous, the vessel you refer to was purchased by ourselves from canal and river trust, it is nothing to do with sharpness dock, other than it is floating in their port and we pay them for it to be at that location. You will not get anywhere by approaching these people, also I have now seen all the paperwork relevant to the ship and we are satisfied it is correct for our purpose, as said to Mr Dunkeley, your issue is not with us but with Canal and River Trust, therefor I would advise for you to concentrate your efforts in their direction and not ours, we cannot and will not waste anymore time or money on dealing with this, with reference to the sale of the vessel, that again is our business and not anyone elses, however all potential sales that would have placed the ship back in Liverpool are lost, we are now looking at other options and one of those options to look at will include the scrapping of the vessel, which was not our intention when we decided to purchase the vessel, but any residual value has been destroyed by the bad publicity and no one is interested in the ship now. So to finish, you need to sort matters with CandRT, that is final.
Yours sincerely, Steve Beacham For and on behalf of Sharpness shipyard and Drydock Ltd. _______________________________________________
Inconsisent, . . . or what ?
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Post by bargemast on Jan 15, 2018 16:56:40 GMT
Looking back again through all the correspondence between Beacham and a prospective buyer of "Planet" I'm left wondering why, and how, the (to quote Beacham himself) "bad publicity" (and from other correspondence - "harassment") of being asked for copies of the Bill of Sale he speaks of in para. 1 and any other fraudulent and/or worthless paperwork in his possession has brought the wretched man from this :- Steve Beacham <stevebeacham@sharpnessshipyard.com> 12/02/17 at 3:01 PM Dear Mr Xxxxxxx, Okay, very informative and falls in line with what we are aware of, to assist, I will advise that we are in possession of copy papers from the courts, along with an agreement to purchase which we signed and a bill of sale signed and with company seal from CandRT, showing that we are the owners and possess transfer 64/64 shares in the ship and that they are free from encumbrances. We would like to know if you are prepared to advise what your intentions are with the vessel, as I agreed to the purchase, with one condition applied (as I insisted that the vessel should not be sold for scrap), I was then also placed with the same conditions I.e. that the vessel would not be scrapped whilst in my possession. My intention was to refurbish her with the view of her going back to, Liverpool, but not in the same dock, or to convert her to a masted static training ship and hub for a sailing/yacht club, both the locations were organised for her to go to and remain so, but the funders are delayed with projects they are currently dealing with, which will not complete until mid to late next year, which is too long for us to wait due to costs running in relation to the costs advised previously, since then, speaking to BBC Merseyside in two separate interviews, other interested parties have come forward, this is where I am now. If as I now believe your enquiries are genuine, (noting this is not said to offend) as long as she was not going to scrap, then I am interested to discuss further, I would not have a problem in resealing the vessel as was when she arrived and including this in the sale price, noting not all has been disturbed, doors mainly have been opened. I trust this assists and look forward to your most favourable reply.
Best regards Steve Beacham Sent from my iPhone
______________________________________________________ To this (in the space of a little over 5 weeks) :-From: "Steve Beacham" <stevebeacham@sharpnessshipyard.com> Date: 10 January 2018 at 12:40:40 GMT Subject: RE: Planetbarlightship βWithout Prejudiceβ
Mr Roberts,
Whilst I appreciate your email tells me that Mr Dunkeley, is acting on your behalf, I advise as previous, the vessel you refer to was purchased by ourselves from canal and river trust, it is nothing to do with sharpness dock, other than it is floating in their port and we pay them for it to be at that location. You will not get anywhere by approaching these people, also I have now seen all the paperwork relevant to the ship and we are satisfied it is correct for our purpose, as said to Mr Dunkeley, your issue is not with us but with Canal and River Trust, therefor I would advise for you to concentrate your efforts in their direction and not ours, we cannot and will not waste anymore time or money on dealing with this, with reference to the sale of the vessel, that again is our business and not anyone elses, however all potential sales that would have placed the ship back in Liverpool are lost, we are now looking at other options and one of those options to look at will include the scrapping of the vessel, which was not our intention when we decided to purchase the vessel, but any residual value has been destroyed by the bad publicity and no one is interested in the ship now. So to finish, you need to sort matters with CandRT, that is final.
Yours sincerely, Steve Beacham For and on behalf of Sharpness shipyard and Drydock Ltd.
_______________________________________________ Inconsisent, . . . or what ? It sure does look like it. Peter.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 16, 2018 8:43:23 GMT
As at 0800 hrs this morning, there's been nothing from Beacham so Alan Roberts' solicitors will now report, to Gloucestershire Police, his handling of, and attempts to sell, stolen property as a criminal offence which has come to light in the course of the preparation/formulation of civil proceedings against C&RT.
He's used up all the chances to come clean and do the decent thing that he's going to get, . . more than he deserved, in my view. We sent him the following brief e-mail yesterday evening :-
5:32 PM (15 hours ago) to Steve, info, Alan FAO. Steve Beacham, Sharpness Shipyard & Drydock Ltd.
Dear Sir,
We are disappointed not to have received any response to our 11 January 2018 e-mailed letter.
Taken together with your refusal to produce copies of the C&RT's fraudulent Bill of Sale and the other worthless paperwork you claim to have, your persistent and continuing refusal to acknowledge the fact that you are in possession of, and attempting to sell, stolen property leaves the owner of "Planet" with no option other than to report the matter to the Police.
Whilst, apparently, content to place continuing reliance on a fraudulent Bill of Sale, which is of no more use or value than an expertly forged Logbook supplied by a car thief, you have elected to ignore numerous alerts and advice in respect of the bogus documentation with which the C&RT have supplied you.
In addition to extensive written material, the evidence to be submitted in support of the police crime report will include the 23 April 2017 video/audio recording of you refusing to accept, or look at, the proof of ownership documentation which Mr Roberts offered to you, witnessed by the police officer who attended the attempted repossession of the ship, on that date and at our request.
Yours faithfully,
A.K.Dunkley (Shipowner's Representative)
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 17, 2018 13:37:54 GMT
"video/audio recording of you refusing to accept, or look at, the proof of ownership documentation which Mr Roberts offered to you, witnessed by the police officer who attended the attempted repossession of the ship, on that date and at our request." It's not an everyday run of the mill that you 'buy' something as large as a ship and then people make a big effort to travel a long way to present paperwork trying to show that it shouldn't have been sold, and the current and real owner is stood there in front of you - and yet you refuse to even look at the paperwork! You'd think an honest person would at least say "Hang on, what's this all about?" and investigate. In truth, it appears, and smells, a lot worse than that. In that video/audio recording, made at Sharpness Dock gates on Sunday 23 April 2017 - 4 weeks before C&RT notified Alan Roberts that they had 'sold' his ship, Beacham was denying that he was anything more than just a 'caretaker' of the ship on behalf of C&RT, claimed that he wasn't even allowed to go aboard himself without express permission, and that he knew nothing about any dispute concerning it. What he was careful not to mention during that 23 April conversation at the Dock gates was that only some 24 hours earlier he had said that - quote - "there are some bills to be paid before the owner gets his ship back", . . which doesn't exactly sit well with claiming to know nothing about the matter on the previous day. Some 4 weeks later on 19 May 2017, of course, C&RT announced that the ship had been sold, to an anonymous buyer, for the ludicrously low sum of Β£12,500, . . and we all now know who that was !
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Post by bargemast on Jan 17, 2018 14:25:30 GMT
"video/audio recording of you refusing to accept, or look at, the proof of ownership documentation which Mr Roberts offered to you, witnessed by the police officer who attended the attempted repossession of the ship, on that date and at our request." It's not an everyday run of the mill that you 'buy' something as large as a ship and then people make a big effort to travel a long way to present paperwork trying to show that it shouldn't have been sold, and the current and real owner is stood there in front of you - and yet you refuse to even look at the paperwork! You'd think an honest person would at least say "Hang on, what's this all about?" and investigate. In truth, it appears, and smells, a lot worse than that. In that video/audio recording, made at Sharpness Dock gates on Sunday 23 April 2017 - 4 weeks before C&RT notified Alan Roberts that they had 'sold' his ship, Beacham was denying that he was anything more than just a 'caretaker' of the ship on behalf of C&RT, claimed that he wasn't even allowed to go aboard himself without express permission, and that he knew nothing about any dispute concerning it. What he was careful not to mention during that 23 April conversation at the Dock gates was that only some 24 hours earlier he had said that - quote - "there are some bills to be paid before the owner gets his ship back", . . which doesn't exactly sit well with claiming to know nothing about the matter on the previous day. Some 4 weeks later on 19 May 2017, of course, C&RT announced that the ship had been sold, to an anonymous buyer, for the ludicrously low sum of Β£12,500, . . and we all now know who that was ! I get more and more the impression that the C&RT and their Shoepiss friends must have studied algebra instaed of law. In algebra negative times negative becomes positive, but lie times lie is still-, and will always be- and stay a lie. How long will this smelly saga go on until some people in charge of this scam will end up behind bars ? Peter.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 19, 2018 9:16:05 GMT
"video/audio recording of you refusing to accept, or look at, the proof of ownership documentation which Mr Roberts offered to you, witnessed by the police officer who attended the attempted repossession of the ship, on that date and at our request." It's not an everyday run of the mill that you 'buy' something as large as a ship and then people make a big effort to travel a long way to present paperwork trying to show that it shouldn't have been sold, and the current and real owner is stood there in front of you - and yet you refuse to even look at the paperwork! You'd think an honest person would at least say "Hang on, what's this all about?" and investigate. In truth, it appears, and smells, a lot worse than that. In that video/audio recording, made at Sharpness Dock gates on Sunday 23 April 2017 - 4 weeks before C&RT notified Alan Roberts that they had 'sold' his ship, Beacham was denying that he was anything more than just a 'caretaker' of the ship on behalf of C&RT, claimed that he wasn't even allowed to go aboard himself without express permission, and that he knew nothing about any dispute concerning it. What he was careful not to mention during that 23 April conversation at the Dock gates was that only some 24 hours earlier he had said that - quote - "there are some bills to be paid before the owner gets his ship back", . . which doesn't exactly sit well with claiming to know nothing about the matter on the previous day. Some 4 weeks later on 19 May 2017, of course, C&RT announced that the ship had been sold, to an anonymous buyer, for the ludicrously low sum of Β£12,500, . . and we all now know who that was ! I've just noticed that when I typed in this post the other day I managed to miss out some quite significant details concerning the time frame during which C&RT fed the news, to both the public and it's rightful owner, that they had 'sold' "Planet". I'm going to correct that omission now, and I have to say that doing so makes the whiff rising from this saga all the more pungent, and more importantly, it demonstrates the extent to which Beacham is, and always has been, complicit in this festival of deceit and criminality. What I should have included was that when Beacham was being videoed and recorded at Sharpness Dock gates on 23 April 2017 insisting that he was simply a 'caretaker' and knew nothing else of the matter, not only was it a mere 4 weeks before C&RT informed Alan Roberts that they had 'sold' his ship (19 May 2017) , it was in fact 12 days after C&RT allowed the news to circulate around the Liverpool media. The so-called 'sale', to an un-named buyer, which due to obvious time constraints and chronology, cannot have been anyone other than Beacham himself, was reported (on Confidentials - Liverpool webpages) by local journalist Larry Neild on 10 April 2017, . . . 12 days before Beacham went 'on the record' at Sharpness Dock gates denying any knowledge of the matter. Alan Roberts and his Solicitors have elected to delay contacting Beacham, and making the appropriate crime report to Gloucestershire Police, in the hope that he will incriminate himself, and his co-conspirators at C&RT, even more than he has done thus far. Personally, I think he has already been allowed plenty enough rope with which to hang himself, and that there is little or nothing to be gained by running the risk of allowing him further breathing space during which he could come to another underhanded, 'find our way out of shit creek' deal with either C&RT or some other as yet un-named/unknown party he's got lurking in the shadows, thereby adding another layer of unwelcome and unnecessary complexity to whatever ultimately has to be proven or argued in either the Crown, or more particularly, the Civil Courts.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 20, 2018 6:08:24 GMT
In truth, it appears, and smells, a lot worse than that. In that video/audio recording, made at Sharpness Dock gates on Sunday 23 April 2017 - 4 weeks before C&RT notified Alan Roberts that they had 'sold' his ship, Beacham was denying that he was anything more than just a 'caretaker' of the ship on behalf of C&RT, claimed that he wasn't even allowed to go aboard himself without express permission, and that he knew nothing about any dispute concerning it. What he was careful not to mention during that 23 April conversation at the Dock gates was that only some 24 hours earlier he had said that - quote - "there are some bills to be paid before the owner gets his ship back", . . which doesn't exactly sit well with claiming to know nothing about the matter on the previous day. Some 4 weeks later on 19 May 2017, of course, C&RT announced that the ship had been sold, to an anonymous buyer, for the ludicrously low sum of Β£12,500, . . and we all now know who that was ! How long will this smelly saga go on until some people in charge of this scam will end up behind bars ? Peter. What a great result that would be, Peter. According to my understanding of the prescribed penalties for the various 'wrongs' committed by those at the heart of this scandal, summary conviction carries up to 12 months or a substantial fine, or both, and conviction on indictment can result in up to 10 years, again, with the addition of a substantial fine should the Court see fit.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 20, 2018 9:06:18 GMT
How long will this smelly saga go on until some people in charge of this scam will end up behind bars ? Peter. What a great result that would be, Peter. According to my understanding of the prescribed penalties for the various 'wrongs' committed by those at the heart of this scandal, summary conviction carries up to 12 months or a substantial fine, or both, and conviction on indictment can result in up to 10 years, again, with the addition of a substantial fine should the Court see fit. If we are lucky, and live long enough, we might see something happening, but what it will be we can only guess. A fine wouldn't be very good, as that will surely be paid out off the kitty of C&RT, and won't be a personal payment of the scamming thieves. The only right punishment would be prison time, and not only for a few weeks, or in a first class room serviced prison for VIP's. There are too many stories known to the public of better than first class treatment of some real barstewards that created misery to many others. What would be a better fitting punishment for these criminals would be : nights in prison, and during the days working on canal maintenance, as during their time before prison, they didn't think that that was neccesary. Peter.
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Post by Phil on Jan 20, 2018 12:06:58 GMT
In truth, it appears, and smells, a lot worse than that. In that video/audio recording, made at Sharpness Dock gates on Sunday 23 April 2017 - 4 weeks before C&RT notified Alan Roberts that they had 'sold' his ship, Beacham was denying that he was anything more than just a 'caretaker' of the ship on behalf of C&RT, claimed that he wasn't even allowed to go aboard himself without express permission, and that he knew nothing about any dispute concerning it. What he was careful not to mention during that 23 April conversation at the Dock gates was that only some 24 hours earlier he had said that - quote - "there are some bills to be paid before the owner gets his ship back", . . which doesn't exactly sit well with claiming to know nothing about the matter on the previous day. Some 4 weeks later on 19 May 2017, of course, C&RT announced that the ship had been sold, to an anonymous buyer, for the ludicrously low sum of Β£12,500, . . and we all now know who that was ! I've just noticed that when I typed in this post the other day I managed to miss out some quite significant details concerning the time frame during which C&RT fed the news, to both the public and it's rightful owner, that they had 'sold' "Planet". I'm going to correct that omission now, and I have to say that doing so makes the whiff rising from this saga all the more pungent, and more importantly, it demonstrates the extent to which Beacham is, and always has been, complicit in this festival of deceit and criminality. What I should have included was that when Beacham was being videoed and recorded at Sharpness Dock gates on 23 April 2017 insisting that he was simply a 'caretaker' and knew nothing else of the matter, not only was it a mere 4 weeks before C&RT informed Alan Roberts that they had 'sold' his ship (19 May 2017) , it was in fact 12 days after C&RT allowed the news to circulate around the Liverpool media. The so-called 'sale', to an un-named buyer, which due to obvious time constraints and chronology, cannot have been anyone other than Beacham himself, was reported (on Confidentials - Liverpool webpages) by local journalist Larry Neild on 10 April 2017, . . . 12 days before Beacham went 'on the record' at Sharpness Dock gates denying any knowledge of the matter. Alan Roberts and his Solicitors have elected to delay contacting Beacham, and making the appropriate crime report to Gloucestershire Police, in the hope that he will incriminate himself, and his co-conspirators at C&RT, even more than he has done thus far. Personally, I think he has already been allowed plenty enough rope with which to hang himself, and that there is little or nothing to be gained by running the risk of allowing him further breathing space during which he could come to another underhanded, 'find our way out of shit creek' deal with either C&RT or some other as yet un-named/unknown party he's got lurking in the shadows, thereby adding another layer of unwelcome and unnecessary complexity to whatever ultimately has to be proven or argued in either the Crown, or more particularly, the Civil Courts. I think this delay is a mistake. It would appear that there is already prima facie evidence of a crime and any delay could undermine your case rather than strengthen it. My first question as an investigator would be, if you have know where your stolen property is and that someone is trying to sell it, why have you not reported it sooner. It is for the police to investigate what offences if any have occurred and by who, and they can do this by seizing documents and computers and by interviewing suspects, all of which you cannot. To delay weakens your allegation and also once the matter is reported just be aware that any further public discussion needs to be stopped until the outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 19:39:57 GMT
I brought this topic up in a recent meeting with my MI6 handlers. I find it quite an interesting situation but the boss said "Look, just fuck off because we don't give a shit"
I suspect it is way down the importance scale and will end up buried anyway.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 7, 2018 13:49:22 GMT
Every time I look at the forum, I'm hoping to read some good news about the dΓ©nouement of the endless "Planet" saga.
I'm sure that if there would have been some (good) news that Tony would have informed us about it.
Is there any progress in the situation yet ?
Have they decided what's going to be done to the people in charge that created all this misery for no reason ?
Will they (the highly paid criminal staff members of C&RT and the Shoopiss team) be guillotined, been asked to sit on an electric chair or getting a lethal injection to punish them, or would it be better if they're allowed to stay alive, and dredge the waterways for the rest of their miserable lives with a spade and a bucket ?
Peter.
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