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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 10:41:07 GMT
My 100 year old mum has said for many years, that she wished there was a littie pill she could take to end it all. I think that just sums up the problem. Venlafaxine is a little pill which can help with this but you have to do the hard part yourself. Well one of her carers found she'd not been taking her blood pressure tablets and hording them! I should point out, she still cooks and does her washing sometimes. High blood pressure was the only thing the doc found about a year ago.
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Post by thebfg on Jan 14, 2021 13:26:03 GMT
because a hell of a large number of people are not making any effort to abide by the recommendations
maybe it will start to work if it is fully enforced but I suspect before a British government is truly draconion a collapse of the Health Service would be required ...... so hopefully the roll out of vaccinations will beat the curve
I suspect any collapse of the NHS will be due to the poor funding over many years. Didn't someone say that the Tories wanted it all to go private anyway? Foxy? When I say funding, I mean investing in people, not the beds which the stats seem to show aren't so much the problem. The NHS won't run out of money. That would be political suicide but they may collapse from being full and unable to take new patients. Yes we could argue all day long about previous underfunding causing a bed shortage but that won't help people during a collapse.
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Post by thebfg on Jan 14, 2021 13:27:16 GMT
. The new mRNA vaccines are new to humans, so we will have to wait and see what happens. [ One thing that won't happen is Pfizer being sued if there are problems in future because they have been liberated of this potential burden by UK.gov. That must be really handy. But anyone clever and rich enough will go after .gov instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 14:11:20 GMT
It's quite interesting seeing the way India has handled Covid 19. There has only been the one peak. They implemented a series of shorter early lockdowns, then started to apply a series of 'unlocks' eachtime relaxing measures carefully. No 'lockdowns' since 30th May. So what do we do? Lockdown for months at a time crippling the economy causing the 'news flash now reported today due to cancelled surgery. Perhaps India was more prepared? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdown_in_India
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Post by JohnV on Jan 14, 2021 14:13:22 GMT
Perhaps India was more prepared? you must be joking
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 14:21:46 GMT
Perhaps India was more prepared? you must be joking
So why do you think they faired better?
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Post by phil70 on Jan 14, 2021 14:26:34 GMT
The immune system, provided you have a functional one which not everyone does, is a powerful deterrent. I suppose my parents would be called anti vaxxers as we (sisters and myself) had none of the injections when we were kids. I read somewhere that the BCG was obligatory but if obviously wasn't as I never had it and I was in school. Similar thing with the pets never any injections. Not needed. Never had any trouble with the pets or members of family being seriously ill with any of these incredibly scary things we all need vaccinating against. . Maybe this was down to everyone else having had the vaccines ? Undoubtedly Phil
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Post by JohnV on Jan 14, 2021 14:34:11 GMT
So why do you think they faired better? with the medical facilities in rural areas and the high mortality from everything among the poor ..... are we sure they are.
under these conditions how can any credence be given to numbers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 15:24:04 GMT
So why do you think they faired better? with the medical facilities in rural areas and the high mortality from everything among the poor ..... are we sure they are.
under these conditions how can any credence be given to numbers
"How can we be sure?" Well I suppose we can all resort to that argument. There may be other reasons why our death figures per million are over 10 times worse than India. Perhaps their government listen to all the world advice available to them and don't operate unilaturally. Our cabinet don't seem to be listening to anyone but those selected in SAGE. They are making life changing decisions then retrospectively running them past our democratically elected MP's. The Indian government use hopeful words like 'unlock', while our government speak threatening words of enforcement, more lock downs, 'further measures'. There's a thing called desensitisation, eventually everyone will ignore the threats. What then? Carrot and stick, not just stick.
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Post by thebfg on Jan 14, 2021 15:32:18 GMT
Perhaps India was more prepared? you must be joking
I've made this kind of comment before but I know we've made mistakes here and many people are jumping on that fact but most governments across the world have made mistakes although some countries seem to have nailed it. However they did what they did because it suited their countries. People don't seem to realise that what's worked elsewhere and specifically how they got there won't have worked here. Can you imagine the scenes in that video happening in the city of London. Or armed soldiers enforcing strict lockdowns by patrolling our neighbourhoods. I can't, people are bad enough with the measures we have. Imagine how badly it would kick off in the above two scenarios. I've said this before but will repeat, I'd never want to be the prime minister. You can't win whatever you do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 15:40:47 GMT
I've made this kind of comment before but I know we've made mistakes here and many people are jumping on that fact but most governments across the world have made mistakes although some countries seem to have nailed it. However they did what they did because it suited their countries. People don't seem to realise that what's worked elsewhere and specifically how they got there won't have worked here. Can you imagine the scenes in that video happening in the city of London. Or armed soldiers enforcing strict lockdowns by patrolling our neighbourhoods. I can't, people are bad enough with the measures we have. Imagine how badly it would kick off in the above two scenarios. I've said this before but will repeat, I'd never want to be the prime minister. You can't win whatever you do. I bet many of us here would listen. When I watch Hancock on Parliament TV, he seems more interested in looking at his phone. Then again, he's not the only one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 18:10:14 GMT
France has done some proper confinement enforcement. Have not spoken to my sister in last couple of weeks but she lives near Paris and yes at one stage you had to have a signed paper to say what you were doing where you were going.
And yes the Gendarmes did enforce this. In fact some of my woman's relatives who live in France were stopped and checked even when they were driving to a local supermarket in a provincial town.
This could be on account of them being north African and the whole racism problem but the French definitely took Covid very seriously.
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Did that result in a significantly lower per million death rate to us? I think not.
ETA I heard someone on the radio earlier, no idea who it was but an official of some sort and he said that in 9/10 cases of the "within 28 days of a test" figures in the UK that Covid was the "primary" cause of death.
I think if statistics were made more clear and explained better people would believe them.
The problem with statistics is that 96.4% of them are made up on the spot and 97.6% of them are made up by speech writers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 20:13:04 GMT
ETA I heard someone on the radio earlier, no idea who it was but an official of some sort and he said that in 9/10 cases of the "within 28 days of a test" figures in the UK that Covid was the "primary" cause of death. If that was really the case, when we see the number of excess overall deaths for the same period over the last 5 years, one would expect it to be nearly 10 times more. Looking at the weekly ONS figures, fortunately it's not even double. Doesn't make sense to me, but I'm no expert. PS Who ever said it, was probably saying that 9 out of 10 respiritory related deaths were primerily due to Covid. Even that doesn't seem right if you look at the 2020 data. More like an average of 2 or 3 out of 10. I can't find the overal respiritory related weekly deaths for previous years to compare with either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 20:38:38 GMT
ETA I heard someone on the radio earlier, no idea who it was but an official of some sort and he said that in 9/10 cases of the "within 28 days of a test" figures in the UK that Covid was the "primary" cause of death. If that was really the case, when we see the number of excess overall respiritory related deaths for the same period over the last 5 years, one would expect it to be nearly 10 times more. Looking at the weekly ONS figures, fortunately it's not even double. Doesn't make sense to me, but I'm no expert. It sounded a bit like bullshit and as I was navigating in heavy London traffic at the time most of my attention was on the motor vehicle control thing. And yes the traffic is more or less normal. Maybe a bit light but not as nice as the MK1 lockdown which was the Real Deal. Of course the fact that people are told to avoid public transport on account of the death risk means those people, who also have cars, use their cars. More restrictions needed !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 20:49:28 GMT
If that was really the case, when we see the number of excess overall respiritory related deaths for the same period over the last 5 years, one would expect it to be nearly 10 times more. Looking at the weekly ONS figures, fortunately it's not even double. Doesn't make sense to me, but I'm no expert. It sounded a bit like bullshit and as I was navigating in heavy London traffic at the time most of my attention was on the motor vehicle control thing. And yes the traffic is more or less normal. Maybe a bit light but not as nice as the MK1 lockdown which was the Real Deal. Of course the fact that people are told to avoid public transport on account of the death risk means those people, who also have cars, use their cars. More restrictions needed ! I've edited my previous post slightly BTW.
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