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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 11:15:40 GMT
Well seeing this has gone on for over 9 months now, I'm sure the stress is getting to most people. Stress is scientifically proven to lower immunity. It's probably being perpetrated more by all of the negative news..and posts. It's quite possible that most people who tested positive and later died, were literaly scared to death. We need to learn to live with this virus as we do with all of the other viruses and risks in life, otherwise what sort of life will all 67 million of us have in the future? Over 1500 people die every day under 'normal' circumstances, mainly people over 70 years old who have had a fair innings. Are we now going to lock ourselves indoors everytime a new virus is discovered or mutates? I reckon by this Spring, things will come to a head one way or another. I think you may be exaggerating the stress aspect. The vast majority of people find life acceptably stress free and if there were no pressures in life nobody would do anything. Some stress is an essential part of life. I don't need to exaggerate the potential effect of negative stress on the extra deaths this year. This year we're talking about 0.1% of the entire popuiation dying with Covid mentioned on their death certificate (1 in a thousand). The vast mqjority of those were very old and had pre-existing conditions. They would have had a lot of additional stress when they were told they couid not see loved ones and saw the over dramatic media coverage early on. What percentage of the population do you think have suffered the effects of the government measures so far? Stress is arguably the biggest killer of all, but unlike Covid, it's effects can't easily be measured. Either way, it's a silent killer which gets all too easily dismissed. Yes, we all have to endure stress during our lives but the additional stress caused by the media and government measures will have had a significant effect on the mental and physical health of millions of people in the UK. As I keep saying, we've not really started to see the fallout of all this yet over the next few years. Have a read of this NHS study for starters... www.nhs.uk/news/mental-health/worried-to-death-distress-linked-to-early-death/
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 28, 2020 12:06:04 GMT
I think you may be exaggerating the stress aspect. The vast majority of people find life acceptably stress free and if there were no pressures in life nobody would do anything. Some stress is an essential part of life. I don't need to exaggerate the potential effect of negative stress on the extra deaths this year. This year we're talking about 0.1% of the entire popuiation dying with Covid mentioned on their death certificate (1 in a thousand). The vast mqjority of those were very old and had pre-existing conditions. They would have had a lot of additional stress when they were told they couid not see loved ones and saw the over dramatic media coverage early on. What percentage of the population do you think have suffered the effects of the government measures so far? Stress is arguably the biggest killer of all, but unlike Covid, it's effects can't easily be measured. Either way, it's a silent killer which gets all too easily dismissed. Yes, we all have to endure stress during our lives but the additional stress caused by the media and government measures will have had a significant effect on the mental and physical health of millions of people in the UK. As I keep saying, we've not really started to see the fallout of all this yet over the next few years. Have a read of this NHS study for starters... www.nhs.uk/news/mental-health/worried-to-death-distress-linked-to-early-death/I was prompted to reply purely because of this statement. "It's quite possible that most people who tested positive and later died, were literaly scared to death." And it's also possible they weren't. I'm not a mental health denier, nor do I have any problem accepting that people become trapped in a circle of circumstances and depression and stress and that this is bad for their health, mental and physical - that much is common sense. Your statement and post I read as saying that those people who died with covid would not have died if they weren't stressed specifically by the covid restrictions. That seems to me an overextrapolation if there is such a word.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 12:41:07 GMT
I don't need to exaggerate the potential effect of negative stress on the extra deaths this year. This year we're talking about 0.1% of the entire popuiation dying with Covid mentioned on their death certificate (1 in a thousand). The vast mqjority of those were very old and had pre-existing conditions. They would have had a lot of additional stress when they were told they couid not see loved ones and saw the over dramatic media coverage early on. What percentage of the population do you think have suffered the effects of the government measures so far? Stress is arguably the biggest killer of all, but unlike Covid, it's effects can't easily be measured. Either way, it's a silent killer which gets all too easily dismissed. Yes, we all have to endure stress during our lives but the additional stress caused by the media and government measures will have had a significant effect on the mental and physical health of millions of people in the UK. As I keep saying, we've not really started to see the fallout of all this yet over the next few years. Have a read of this NHS study for starters... www.nhs.uk/news/mental-health/worried-to-death-distress-linked-to-early-death/I was prompted to reply purely because of this statement. "It's quite possible that most people who tested positive and later died, were literaly scared to death." And it's also possible they weren't. I'm not a mental health denier, nor do I have any problem accepting that people become trapped in a circle of circumstances and depression and stress and that this is bad for their health, mental and physical - that much is common sense. Your statement and post I read as saying that those people who died with covid would not have died if they weren't stressed specifically by the covid restrictions. That seems to me an overextrapolation if there is such a word. One of the problems with the Covid stats right from the start is that we don't know how much Covid-19 had a part to play in the deaths of the 70,000 people. We also don't know how much stress had a part to play but there is evidence that stress does contribute to early deaths in the same way Covid does. Both are a factor along with other pre-existing conditions and old age. Meanwhile millions of younger people are expected to put their lives on hold indefinately. At some point the balance will tip.
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Post by bodger on Dec 28, 2020 13:30:41 GMT
absolutely.
when I was working I achieved far more when unlikely deadlines had to be met, resources were inadequate and circumstances were contrary. I never labelled it stress, it was just invigorating.
................... oh! I forgot - having mental 'elf issues is apparently fashionable these days. I really need to keep up. Well done for trotting out the usual "life's been ok for me so nobody has an excuse" line. It's tosh of course, I guess you haven't been helpless in circumstances that felt hopeless. You can't have been or you'd still be trapped there. Me neither but I'm not so narrow-minded as to deny the possibility for others and I've had to selfishly scramble to get out of the crab bucket. clearly you haven't followed my other posts very thoroughly.
I have been shot by Nigerian robbers using a sawn-off shotgun at point blank range in the chest (lungs and heart) and been left for dead. It was 2 days before I was taken to a place where I could be treated properly. I have no phobias about guns, blood, difficulty taking a breath (pneumothorax) or pain. In fact I was able to take a philosophical view of it. Similarly a flying windlass handle knocked me for six (and nearly over the side into the water) at Bath Weston Lock (a very deep one), leaving me semi-conscious on the ground, and resulted in the permanent loss of sight in one eye. I have no phobias about that either. I just put it all down to experience and get on with life.
You are the one who is being judgemental from a position of ignorance.
Go gag on your friggin' lolly why don't you?
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 28, 2020 13:31:30 GMT
I was prompted to reply purely because of this statement. "It's quite possible that most people who tested positive and later died, were literaly scared to death." And it's also possible they weren't. I'm not a mental health denier, nor do I have any problem accepting that people become trapped in a circle of circumstances and depression and stress and that this is bad for their health, mental and physical - that much is common sense. Your statement and post I read as saying that those people who died with covid would not have died if they weren't stressed specifically by the covid restrictions. That seems to me an overextrapolation if there is such a word. One of the problems with the Covid stats right from the start is that we don't know how much Covid-19 had a part to play in the deaths of the 70,000 people. We also don't know how much stress had a part to play but there is evidence that stress does contribute to early deaths in the same way Covid does. Both are a factor along with other pre-existing conditions and old age. Meanwhile millions of younger people are expected to put their lives on hold indefinately. At some point the balance will tip. You're right there, I remember earlier in the year having some vain hope that some useful statistics might come out in the wash but they haven't have they? The ramping up spread of the virus pretty well mimics the ramping up of testing for instance and that's not helpful to enlightenment but very helpful for population control. While not a virus denier there are too many political factors at work here to have a hope of finding out what's really going on. For instance it could be construed by the political reaction of economy destruction that the virus is MUCH more dangerous in the long term that is being let on.
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 28, 2020 13:34:57 GMT
Well done for trotting out the usual "life's been ok for me so nobody has an excuse" line. It's tosh of course, I guess you haven't been helpless in circumstances that felt hopeless. You can't have been or you'd still be trapped there. Me neither but I'm not so narrow-minded as to deny the possibility for others and I've had to selfishly scramble to get out of the crab bucket. clearly you haven't followed my other posts very thoroughly.
I have been shot by Nigerian robbers using a sawn-off shotgun at point blank range in the chest (lungs and heart) and been left for dead. It was 2 days before I was taken to a place where I could be treated properly. I have no phobias about guns, blood, difficulty taking a breath (pneumothorax) or pain. In fact I was able to take a philosophical view of it. Similarly a flying windlass handle knocked me for six (and nearly over the side into the water) at Bath Weston Lock (a very deep one), leaving me semi-conscious on the ground, and resulted in the permanent loss of sight in one eye. I have no phobias about that either. I just put it all down to experience and get on with life.
You are the one who is being judgemental from a position of ignorance.
Go gag on your friggin' lolly why don't you?
Short term physical trauma. Totally different subject you ignorant twat and if that's the best you can do it only underlines your ignorance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 14:26:56 GMT
One of the problems with the Covid stats right from the start is that we don't know how much Covid-19 had a part to play in the deaths of the 70,000 people. We also don't know how much stress had a part to play but there is evidence that stress does contribute to early deaths in the same way Covid does. Both are a factor along with other pre-existing conditions and old age. Meanwhile millions of younger people are expected to put their lives on hold indefinately. At some point the balance will tip. You're right there, I remember earlier in the year having some vain hope that some useful statistics might come out in the wash but they haven't have they? The ramping up spread of the virus pretty well mimics the ramping up of testing for instance and that's not helpful to enlightenment but very helpful for population control. While not a virus denier there are too many political factors at work here to have a hope of finding out what's really going on. For instance it could be construed by the political reaction of economy destruction that the virus is MUCH more dangerous in the long term that is being let on. I'm pretty sure that this virus is being used to push through other agendas now. Much of which falls in line quite nicely with UN Agenda 2030 for example, some good bits and some perhaps bad. The problem is that I think the public are starting to see through it. Ok, we managed to escape the EU, but by bypassing the EU maybe we've inadvertently passed more of our control to the UN and sped up the transit to Agenda 30. Certainly the Brexit deal summary seems to replace the words 'EU law' with 'International law' . It's funny how when you mention Agenda 21and 30 to anyone they often switch off and assume you are going to go into conspiricy mode, but they are real documents, the contents of which could well change our lives more than anything in history. Much of it driven by environmental aims.
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Post by bodger on Dec 28, 2020 19:30:05 GMT
clearly you haven't followed my other posts very thoroughly.
I have been shot by Nigerian robbers using a sawn-off shotgun at point blank range in the chest (lungs and heart) and been left for dead. It was 2 days before I was taken to a place where I could be treated properly. I have no phobias about guns, blood, difficulty taking a breath (pneumothorax) or pain. In fact I was able to take a philosophical view of it. Similarly a flying windlass handle knocked me for six (and nearly over the side into the water) at Bath Weston Lock (a very deep one), leaving me semi-conscious on the ground, and resulted in the permanent loss of sight in one eye. I have no phobias about that either. I just put it all down to experience and get on with life.
You are the one who is being judgemental from a position of ignorance.
Go gag on your friggin' lolly why don't you?
Short term physical trauma. Totally different subject you ignorant twat and if that's the best you can do it only underlines your ignorance. so my physical near death trauma doesn't rate in your spectrum of mental elf issues arising from a gentle lady with a fine needle (no worse than a single acupuncture) ................... as
I said - a position of ignorance
...................... and by the way - twats are useful things. kissee kissee ......................
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 28, 2020 19:37:27 GMT
You're right there, I remember earlier in the year having some vain hope that some useful statistics might come out in the wash but they haven't have they? The ramping up spread of the virus pretty well mimics the ramping up of testing for instance and that's not helpful to enlightenment but very helpful for population control. While not a virus denier there are too many political factors at work here to have a hope of finding out what's really going on. For instance it could be construed by the political reaction of economy destruction that the virus is MUCH more dangerous in the long term that is being let on. I'm pretty sure that this virus is being used to push through other agendas now. Much of which falls in line quite nicely with UN Agenda 2030 for example, some good bits and some perhaps bad. The problem is that I think the public are starting to see through it. You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
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Post by bodger on Dec 29, 2020 10:45:36 GMT
space.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 10:50:32 GMT
Foxy said he was sorry so presumably he is admitting throwing it.
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Post by perkwunos on Dec 29, 2020 10:53:55 GMT
Don't forget hands and face.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 29, 2020 11:13:52 GMT
You're right there, I remember earlier in the year having some vain hope that some useful statistics might come out in the wash but they haven't have they? The ramping up spread of the virus pretty well mimics the ramping up of testing for instance and that's not helpful to enlightenment but very helpful for population control. While not a virus denier there are too many political factors at work here to have a hope of finding out what's really going on. For instance it could be construed by the political reaction of economy destruction that the virus is MUCH more dangerous in the long term that is being let on. I'm pretty sure that this virus is being used to push through other agendas now. Much of which falls in line quite nicely with UN Agenda 2030 for example, some good bits and some perhaps bad. The problem is that I think the public are starting to see through it. Ok, we managed to escape the EU, but by bypassing the EU maybe we've inadvertently passed more of our control to the UN and sped up the transit to Agenda 30. Certainly the Brexit deal summary seems to replace the words 'EU law' with 'International law' . It's funny how when you mention Agenda 21and 30 to anyone they often switch off and assume you are going to go into conspiricy mode, but they are real documents, the contents of which could well change our lives more than anything in history. Much of it driven by environmental aims. I learned our government must be strong It's always right and never wrong Our leaders are the finest men And we elect them again and again And that's what I learned in school today That's what I learned in school
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 11:20:30 GMT
I'm pretty sure that this virus is being used to push through other agendas now. Much of which falls in line quite nicely with UN Agenda 2030 for example, some good bits and some perhaps bad. The problem is that I think the public are starting to see through it. Ok, we managed to escape the EU, but by bypassing the EU maybe we've inadvertently passed more of our control to the UN and sped up the transit to Agenda 30. Certainly the Brexit deal summary seems to replace the words 'EU law' with 'International law' . It's funny how when you mention Agenda 21and 30 to anyone they often switch off and assume you are going to go into conspiricy mode, but they are real documents, the contents of which could well change our lives more than anything in history. Much of it driven by environmental aims. I learned our government must be strong It's always right and never wrong Our leaders are the finest men And we elect them again and again And that's what I learned in school today That's what I learned in school The trouble is that some of the MP's we voted in are complaining that the cabinet aren't running everything past them. It's the same old problem, we sit and whinge about it all but are too shy and sensitive to stand for election. So yes, we have to let those with bigger egos run the show and just hope for the best.
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Post by bodger on Dec 29, 2020 13:06:25 GMT
Don't forget hands and face. in my case, from hand, through space, to face ..........
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