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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 8:03:51 GMT
I found that post of Foxy's sickening even by his standards... Its a pity that people like Foxy who constantly write this bile cannot be taken on a tour of the ITU's This is why I think the government need to be more open and honest with the data rather than rely on the main stream press to put their spin on it. Yet the press seem to find out stuff before the MP's we voted in. It wasn't that long ago before Covid when I saw reports of large numbers of people having to occupy beds in corridors due to some hospitals being overloaded. It's not just about Covid, it's about lack of NHS funding where it's really needed (i.e the front line workers). I agree that if we could see things with our own eyes we may have a very different attitude to the measures 67 million of us have had to endure since March 2020. Then again, we have a nurse on the radio, now shown to be lying, talking about a ward being full of children with Covid. We have politicians flouting the very rules they make. We have a cabinet working unilaterally and forcing policy through retrospectively (that's not democracy!). No wonder public trust in the information we are getting is waning. When the public start to lose respect for those in power, the law starts to break down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 20:17:27 GMT
I raised this with Evangeline earlier on today actually as we had a meeting at the south Oxfordshire "it's not at the power station site at Didcot in case you were wondering" HQ and she said it was classified.
I was allowed to see it, amongst other things and it was quite eye opening.
Obviously the official secrets act and the fact I am now in a relationship with Evangeline makes it slightly awkward.
Lets just say it is not a simple as it would at first appear and there are more geopolitical sides to it than you get to a 50p coin and the fish is the last thing to worry about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 20:19:45 GMT
With millions of people unemployed in the UK, why is the NHS "short of staff"? Is every unemployed person a complete moron and unfit to work in a hospital? It's going private, mark my words. And 'Baroness' Harding and her husband's effforts to privatise it and rake in ££££££££££. I am for a NHS, being 'an old socialist'. I am also against the sale of council houses - they are for those who need 'affordable housing', not for those who want a buy cheap get rich quick bargain. And I'm like "NHS going private?" Surely not. You'll be thinking that Tesco sell bread. They'd never do this !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 21:07:37 GMT
'Finland calling, Finland calling'
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 21:30:56 GMT
There are some very harrowing decisions having to be made now. However, deciding about putting adverts on every street corner, on radio, on television, and in the newspapers appealing for people to come and help the NHS is... strangely... not one of them. How many hours can nurses and doctors be allowed to work? Are they allowed to work when tired? I'm not. And I have a tachograph to keep me with limits. Boris and pals, as Conservatives, hate socialised medicine. They despise the NHS and would love to see Serco running it and paying 'donations' to the Conservative Party. So, if you voted Conservative, you are to blame for the nurses and doctors "working their arses off". Well I've seen a few TV adverts for NHS recruitment. I suppose you don't get to see them being an 'outsider'.
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Post by patty on Jan 10, 2021 8:24:50 GMT
working as a nurse is not something anyone can just do... The Mental Health damage his pandemic will have caused amongst those who cannot deal with this type of care will be with us years. Things seen cannot be unseen...... I still have flashbacks to a couple of extremely traumatic episodes..including the first ever dreadful case I nursed...I was too young to deal with what I saw. Re locating nurses from non acute into acute is a shock.. When I worked I hated being moved despite the fact our ward was possibly the busiest most of the time ..we like our own corner with our own colleagues who we trusted.
Folk like Foxy just cannot understand.
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 10, 2021 10:45:33 GMT
working as a nurse is not something anyone can just do... The Mental Health damage his pandemic will have caused amongst those who cannot deal with this type of care will be with us years. Things seen cannot be unseen...... I still have flashbacks to a couple of extremely traumatic episodes..including the first ever dreadful case I nursed...I was too young to deal with what I saw. Re locating nurses from non acute into acute is a shock.. When I worked I hated being moved despite the fact our ward was possibly the busiest most of the time ..we like our own corner with our own colleagues who we trusted. Folk like Foxy just cannot understand. It's amazing how many people think life is all about numbers and that includes some management. They think experience counts for nothing. When I was working, with 10 years detailed specific experience that only I had, the entity I worked for changed hands and I was let go. I wished them luck. 6 months later I started a 2 year contract with them at about 3x the rate to help them get it all straightened out. There will be nhs number crunchers who think it's fine to let skilled knowledgeable staff go because if you ever need more numbers you can just get another one who will hit the ground running. It's rife. Look at CRT for an example we all know of. I blame employment agencies. Me and a mate of mine worked for a technical one. It's a laugh, they employ CAD draughtsmen who have NEVER used CAD and hope to bluff it out. After a week the company gives them the heave ho and asks for a better one. The one who can't do it gets paid for that week and moved onto another job for a week. Employment agencies shuffle the same useless people around from job to job just like they do good ones. Good ones, like I was, simply phone the agency and ask for a pay rise/better job if they're unhappy so the crap jobs get full of crap people who can't actually do even the crap jobs. When companies were responsible for employing their own employees everyone had to try a bit harder and be more responsible in my view.
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Post by thebfg on Jan 10, 2021 11:27:18 GMT
I've seen news of policeman driving ambulances to free up paramedics in London.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 10, 2021 12:01:07 GMT
working as a nurse is not something anyone can just do... The Mental Health damage his pandemic will have caused amongst those who cannot deal with this type of care will be with us years. Things seen cannot be unseen...... I still have flashbacks to a couple of extremely traumatic episodes..including the first ever dreadful case I nursed...I was too young to deal with what I saw. Re locating nurses from non acute into acute is a shock.. When I worked I hated being moved despite the fact our ward was possibly the busiest most of the time ..we like our own corner with our own colleagues who we trusted. Folk like Foxy just cannot understand. It's amazing how many people think life is all about numbers and that includes some management. They think experience counts for nothing. When I was working, with 10 years detailed specific experience that only I had, the entity I worked for changed hands and I was let go. I wished them luck. 6 months later I started a 2 year contract with them at about 3x the rate to help them get it all straightened out. There will be nhs number crunchers who think it's fine to let skilled knowledgeable staff go because if you ever need more numbers you can just get another one who will hit the ground running. It's rife. Look at CRT for an example we all know of. I blame employment agencies. Me and a mate of mine worked for a technical one. It's a laugh, they employ CAD draughtsmen who have NEVER used CAD and hope to bluff it out. After a week the company gives them the heave ho and asks for a better one. The one who can't do it gets paid for that week and moved onto another job for a week. Employment agencies shuffle the same useless people around from job to job just like they do good ones. Good ones, like I was, simply phone the agency and ask for a pay rise/better job if they're unhappy so the crap jobs get full of crap people who can't actually do even the crap jobs. When companies were responsible for employing their own employees everyone had to try a bit harder and be more responsible in my view. the bias towards inexperience but with a degree over no degree but years of practical experience has been happening for a long time and unfortunately is self perpetuating, those in a position of authority, with a degree but little practical experience are likely to hire people just like themselves ...... they don't want a subordinate who is better at the job than they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 12:08:15 GMT
Another side issue is that the top 10% in academic terms, used to go to university ... now it's well over 40%.
Perhaps the days of the academically gifted going to university, and we lesser mortals gaining life and employment skills (trades, apprenticeships etc) were a better balance.
But of course no problem should be examined in isolation ... the loss of manfacturing industries has had many and varied effects on society.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 10, 2021 12:20:23 GMT
Another side issue is that the top 10% in academic terms, used to go to university ... now it's well over 40%. Perhaps the days of the academically gifted going to university, and we lesser mortals gaining life and employment skills (trades, apprenticeships etc) were a better balance. But of course no problem should be examined in isolation ... the loss of manfacturing industries has had many and varied effects on society. Rog If only the top 10% most gifted go to University and the courses are kept really tough, then you have a good chance that someone with a degree will know his onions. When 40% go to University, many to dumbed down courses you have a good chance that nearly half of them are not very good.
(That doesn't mean they wont become good in their field, only that they are not now and shouldn't be put in charge straight away, which is what can and does happen.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 12:29:47 GMT
There was an attempt to add some balance with the NVQ system ... but it has largely been 'looked down' upon.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 10, 2021 12:55:35 GMT
A few chips showing! Dissing people with degrees is just a not very subtle form of jealousy and inverted snobbery. There is a need for people with degrees (who understand the theory) and there is a need for people with hands on practical experience. It’s exactly the same with doctors and nurses. Which is the better or more important, doctors or nurses? Daft question - both are needed, both are equally important. You don’t want a doctor to do a nurse’s job and vice versa. Although of course these days, nurses have degrees!
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Post by patty on Jan 10, 2021 13:03:54 GMT
A few chips showing! Dissing people with degrees is just a not very subtle form of jealousy and inverted snobbery. There is a need for people with degrees (who understand the theory) and there is a need for people with hands on practical experience. It’s exactly the same with doctors and nurses. Which is the better or more important, doctors or nurses? Daft question - both are needed, both are equally important. You don’t want a doctor to do a nurse’s job and vice versa. Although of course these days, nurses have degrees! When I trained very few nurses went down the degree route When I returned to practice after a break of about 16/17 years the emphasis was on getting a degree and the pressure put on those of us 'old school' to comply, intense. I started one but the ill health episode that finished career finished degree course...TBH the expectations of study, work(6 nights a week) and the crises at home wrecked health. Anyway my strength was as a nurse on the wards in amongst the sick ..not on the computer or the other IT roles they found for us.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 10, 2021 15:09:15 GMT
A few chips showing! Dissing people with degrees is just a not very subtle form of jealousy and inverted snobbery. There is a need for people with degrees (who understand the theory) and there is a need for people with hands on practical experience. It’s exactly the same with doctors and nurses. Which is the better or more important, doctors or nurses? Daft question - both are needed, both are equally important. You don’t want a doctor to do a nurse’s job and vice versa. Although of course these days, nurses have degrees! I hadn't noticed any anti degree bias being shown in previous posts but plenty of complaint against those with degrees being biased against people without but with many years of active practical experience.
Numerical expansion of the degree system has somewhat devalued it. The expansion of degree status into many new areas (many of which one needs to question the justification) also devalues it. It has become the be all and end all as far as many employers are concerned often to the great detriment of their industry.
A good friend and mentor of mine was required to work in every department of the company he joined (with a degree) in a subordinate position until he fully understood every part of the industry. It was many years before he eventually became a team leader.
This is how it should be, letting someone fresh from university loose, in charge of a technical project is often a recipe for disaster.
He also has very little time for some of the attitudes shown by many in industry today who devalue those with many years of practical experience, and has expressed himself within the Institute about this.
Incidentally he is FIET MIEEE FBIS CEng
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