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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 10:27:28 GMT
The Barrington Declaration petition link is here if anyone feels strongly that this country will be brought to it's knees due to lockdown measures. gbdeclaration.org/Steve Baker MP brought this before parliament months ago but like most of this, it appears to be ignored by the cabinet who are still making decisions unilaturally. We seem to be in a virtual dictatorship. Maybe watch parliament TV and the debates if you want to see what's really going on with our so called democracy. It will be interesting to see whether the Reform and Re-claim parties have the same effect as the Brexit party on our so called democracy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 10:35:39 GMT
It's a crisis. Hysteria is always a component. It will pass. Abso-bloody-lutely !
Hysteria is a fashion these days.
everyone bleats on about Keep Calm and Carry On but many don't have a clue what that actually means - strength of character, stoicism, managing an over-active imagination, analysing situations without undue influence from the meedyar.
Have you read the Barrington Declairation? Have you read the UN Agenda 30 document? Have you read up on the World Economic Forum 'Great Reset' agenda being pushed forward by Prince Charles? You'll see very little of this in the main stream media but it's all out there. No conspiricies, they are all real and you can visit the Barrington Declairation, UN and WEF links directly to do your own research without the need to read the papers or watch TV. Nothing is being hidden.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 10:43:10 GMT
gbdeclaration.org/www.weforum.org/great-reset/sdgs.un.org/2030agendaThe other links for you if anyone can be bothered to read them. Once people understand these we might be able to have some decent debate as to what wethink are the good bits and bad bits. The word 'sustainability' is used a lot but it's not often clear how it's going to be achieved. Obviously the environmental goals are important.
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Post by Jim on Feb 3, 2021 11:06:02 GMT
I'd suggest there are far more agree with lockdown. Was listening to radio last night to staff working on covid wards. (you know, the empty ones🙄). Not a job I'd relish, good on them.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 3, 2021 11:08:50 GMT
I'd suggest there are far more agree with lockdown. So when more people agreed that the world was flat rather than round, it was flat then?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 11:10:31 GMT
gbdeclaration.org/www.weforum.org/great-reset/sdgs.un.org/2030agendaThe other links for you if anyone can be bothered to read them. Once people understand these we might be able to have some decent debate as to what wethink are the good bits and bad bits. The word 'sustainability' is used a lot but it's not often clear how it's going to be achieved. Obviously the environmental goals are important. Can't work out whether you are in general support of the above or generally against.
Would be interesting to know and to know why you feel that way.
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Post by Jim on Feb 3, 2021 11:11:41 GMT
I'd suggest there are far more agree with lockdown. So when more people agreed that the world was flat rather than round, it was flat then? No, because it isn't. The whole situation is being mismanaged anyway, a quicker and firmer lockdown with proper testing, as is now being advocated in certain areas, would have saved some of the 100k+. Would also have lessened the chance for mutations. I didn't vote the tories in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 11:16:14 GMT
I'd suggest there are far more agree with lockdown. So when more people agreed that the world was flat rather than round, it was flat then? I'm fairly confident the lockdown is an established fact.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 11:21:24 GMT
Think what we will, we're all in the same situation and have no choice but to accept (even if with protest) the current restrictions ... rather like having to accept the war to find WMD.
In due course, and with the benefit of hindsight, we may better understand what was right or wrong ... necessary or irrelevant.
After all Dr Andrew Wakefield was ultimately struck off for pedalling his nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 11:35:42 GMT
gbdeclaration.org/www.weforum.org/great-reset/sdgs.un.org/2030agendaThe other links for you if anyone can be bothered to read them. Once people understand these we might be able to have some decent debate as to what wethink are the good bits and bad bits. The word 'sustainability' is used a lot but it's not often clear how it's going to be achieved. Obviously the environmental goals are important. Can't work out whether you are in general support of the above or generally against.
Would be interesting to know and to know why you feel that way.
I think you have hit on one of the big problems. It's not a case of 'choosing a side' it's about having a dialogue. There is good and bad in everthing. My fear is that Covid has been used to push forward these agendas. The problem with that is that it undermines people's trust. Hence the conspiricies etc I think it's important not to become polarised by labels and to try to see both sides of any argument or policy. I do think there is significant evidence to show that general lockdowns are far more damaging to society than a focussed approach. I think the Great Reset concept would be great if we trusted the powers that be. However why 'You will own nothing'? Surely it should be 'WE own nothing'? As for Agenda 30, yes, our biggest threat to life is us. However, freedom is something nobody want's to give up easily. If the powers that be and the rest of us could remove the 'us and them' labels, we've all got a chance. Ok, we could try to make a push for Mars, but if we can't find it in humanity to work with nature here on Earth, how is it going to work with a handfull of finacially rich and clever people on Mars?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 11:57:57 GMT
Can't work out whether you are in general support of the above or generally against.
Would be interesting to know and to know why you feel that way.
I think you have hit on one of the big problems. It's not a case of 'choosing a side' it's about having a dialogue. There is good and bad in everthing. My fear is that Covid has been used to push forward these agendas. The problem with that is that it undermines people's trust. Hence the conspiricies etc (not sure I agree with that, primarily my question would be Why does it undermine peoples trust?)I think it's important not to become polarised by labels and to try to see both sides of any argument or policy. (agreed)I do think there is significant evidence to show that general lockdowns are far more damaging to society than a focussed approach. (personally much happier with the traditional approach, it has been tried and tested and worked before, admittedly the UK has not seen it in practice before. I think the bad side of a focussed approach are splitting people who are seen as at risk and not at risk - this would create a massive divide amongst communities and families to work, not something I want to see or expect to work - however come next winter I'll be prepared to review my thoughts, but not until then)I think the Great Reset concept would be great if we trusted the powers that be. However why 'You will own nothing'? Surely it should be 'WE own nothing'? (not sure what you really mean - a link to the relevant part would be helpful)As for Agenda 30, yes, our biggest threat to life is us. However, freedom is something nobody want's to give up easily. If the powers that be and the rest of us could remove the 'us and them' labels, we've all got a chance. (think I agree, isn't that what agenda 30 is about trying to achieve)Ok, we could try to make a push for Mars, but if we can't find it in humanity to work with nature here on Earth, how is it going to work with a handfull of finacially rich and clever people on Mars? (gimme a marsbar and I'll have a think about that )Apologies for the green ink - it just seems more friendly than red to me!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 13:20:18 GMT
Think what we will, we're all in the same situation and have no choice but to accept (even if with protest) the current restrictions ... rather like having to accept the war to find WMD. In due course, and with the benefit of hindsight, we may better understand what was right or wrong ... necessary or irrelevant. After all Dr Andrew Wakefield was ultimately struck off for pedalling his nonsense. Rog I read sucked off.. I need help.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 3, 2021 14:33:23 GMT
So when more people agreed that the world was flat rather than round, it was flat then? I didn't vote the tories in. But you are still prepared to slavishly lap up everything Boris Johnson tells you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 15:59:39 GMT
An interesting 50 seconds of video especially for Jim Rog
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Post by bodger on Feb 3, 2021 16:16:53 GMT
Hysteria is a fashion these days. Is 'hysteria' not being afraid of 'the virus'? Or is hysteria 'hiding behind the sofa and really, really wanting to believe in the SAGE ones'? you work it out and let us know (when your IQ has developed to the point where you can comprehend and answer your own questions).
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